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re: WATCHMEN Season Long Thread - S1, EP9 (season finale): "See How They Fly"

Posted on 10/27/19 at 7:59 pm to
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 7:59 pm to
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I never said that. I said that the imminence of nuclear war was amped up in the graphic novel and that they were amping up race relations in this series.


I was referencing the creator's words, not yours, you egomaniac.

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For a reality where it rains squids and robots pass for people? Any premise is valid.


Not an answer.

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ETA: And please, I’m begging you, please go back to the poli board. You’ve come here to obsess over this one TV series and you’re not helping anything.


STFU, show's on.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
22428 posts
Posted on 10/27/19 at 8:28 pm to
The Henry Louis Gates. Jr. part was amusing, particularly if you watch his show like the wife and I do.
Posted by pevetohead
lurking behind sonic
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 8:55 pm to
I'm lost...was that the Owlship?
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 10/27/19 at 9:03 pm to
Yes back to the show. Spoilers I guess.

That was not the Owlship.

The whole How Dr Manhattan was created "play" was hilarious.

I like Glass.

Gossett is her grandfather?

I get the show. It could go off the rails but I get it so far.

The Redforations and Tulsa Riots descendents and the TV show all need more explanation. But it's all tied in to what we're seeing.

Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36155 posts
Posted on 10/27/19 at 9:21 pm to
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The whole How Dr Manhattan was created "play" was hilarious.

The Paparazzi Moths had me laughing out loud.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 10/27/19 at 10:33 pm to
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The Paparazzi Moths had me laughing out loud.



I snorked when the cops were tasing them out of the sky.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:19 am to
There were never any Watchmen.

The original characters are Charleton creations with the serial numbers filed off. Rorshach for The Question, Adrian is Thunderbolt, laurie is nightshade, the nite owls are blue beetles, blake is peacemaker, and jon is captain atom.

DC chickened out and refused Moore the Charleton names because evene though ghey werent using them then, DC didnt want to taint them.

Only the minutemen every existed as a team, with the crimebusters as a media event.

Watchmen is just a nane drop for the quote later on.
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:00 am to
The letter the old man has with him is based on a real letter

Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36155 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:22 am to
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DC chickened out and refused Moore the Charleton names because evene though ghey werent using them then, DC didnt want to taint them.

Giordano's decision to keep the Charlton characters out of Watchmen was the best thing to happen to Moore's series. And it's not like DC had them sitting on the shelf going unused. The acquisition of the Charlton characters was fairly recent, Paul Levitz buying them as a gift for Giordano, since Giordano was instrumental in their Charlton years. Levitz didn't buy them to kill them off and then relaunch them.

Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:02 am to
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The whole How Dr Manhattan was created "play" was hilarious.

It wouldn't be Watchmen without some blue Dr. Manhattan dick
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36155 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:10 am to
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It wouldn't be Watchmen without some blue Dr. Manhattan dick

Had me missing Righteous Gemstones.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
34663 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 2:02 pm to
Last nights episode wasnt bad. Was a little disappointed Jed was KKK but you saw it coming a mile away. I kind of want an entire episode of An American Hero.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28114 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 2:50 pm to
Some really bad casting in this.

I would have to be meth'd out of my mind to ever believe Regina King could be a Vigilante. I have always liked her acting, but she does not fit the part, not at all.

Watched first episode again, and it was even shittier than the first time i watched it.

Had such great hope for this, and the story line about Whitey being bad doesn't bother me, like the ones triggered in this thread. It's just a really shitty episode (#1).

I'll give it 1 season, i enjoy pain, i watched the first multiple seasons of arrow and flash, and they went from meh to laughable and just so bad, you couldn't help but laugh at it.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36155 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 3:18 pm to
Episode 2 benefited from not having every bizarre thing in the world thrown at you at once. It made for a much better pace (it seemed to fly by).

The KKKloset disappointed me on two levels. Either Lindelof is going with a lazy "the Chief was bad all along" or he's doing a clumsy "someone is setting up the Chief". I hope that he'll surprise me and that it'll be neither. Even Super Gossett Jr. sort of winked at the audience with his "that seems a bit obvious" response.

I've most enjoyed the Veidt plot. Looking forward to seeing what he has in mind (if he's going to bring Manhattan back or if he's got some race-squid that he's going to drop in the middle of Tulsa).

Looking Glass is being underused.

And I want a lot more of that American Heroes TV series.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 3:37 pm to
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The KKKloset disappointed me on two levels. Either Lindelof is going with a lazy "the Chief was bad all along" or he's doing a clumsy "someone is setting up the Chief". I hope that he'll surprise me and that it'll be neither. Even Super Gossett Jr. sort of winked at the audience with his "that seems a bit obvious" response.


Yeah, I get the feeling this is a red herring.
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I've most enjoyed the Veidt plot. Looking forward to seeing what he has in mind (if he's going to bring Manhattan back or if he's got some race-squid that he's going to drop in the middle of Tulsa).

Agree. It feels like he's using the play to try to recreate the events of when Dr. Manhattan was created so that he can attempt to create his own. I've seen some people theorize the the servants are all clones of Jon and Janey.
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Looking Glass is being underused

Agreed again. Tim Blake Nelson is awesome and I want more of him.
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And I want a lot more of that American Heroes TV series

I liked that they gave it a Snyderesque twist. And also felt like there was some satire of progressives with the over the top trigger warning beforehand.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 4:20 pm to
Oh, no argument from me that the Charleton Characters and the Watchmen characters are better off as different characters completely.

The show isn't appointment TV for me yet but I'm looking forward to watching tonight or tomorrow based on the blurbs here.


So Irons is really Veidt and not playing a con on us?
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
34663 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 4:39 pm to
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So Irons is really Veidt and not playing a con on us?



It was posted earlier but this is a companion website that HBO/the show runners put out that goes along with the show. Its articles that give background to certain event. Its pretty cool.

One of the 1st articles last week was a newspaper clipping telling about Veidts disappearance in 2012 I think, and they declared him dead this year. They are made to be like the side articles that were in the original novel that give background info on the characters and events. So I doubt they would have put that one in there if that wasnt Veidt.

The police article about Rorsach is pretty interesting.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:27 pm to
Aye I read the first batch. I was running with the thinking that Jon was trying to be a mortal god with the with the butler and maid as his try at advanced life and the estate as an Eden.

Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:34 am to
I think Will, Louis Gossett Jr, is Hooded Justice(?). He drank hot arse coffee straight, stuck his hand in boiling water for a egg (eggs are everywhere fwiw) and got "saved" by some flying object.

And the timeline would fit I think.

Plus the fictional TV show was based on hooded justice right? Or he is a character within that show. And that ties in why he would know more about Judd than we know. Fwiw, I think Judd was one of the Rorschachs that did the initial attack on police officers that brought about the mask for all.

Judd never wore a mask. All the other cops were wearing mask while on duty, he's walking around in full uniform face all out.

Symbols and signs. All over the place in the thing. Real and fake
Posted by schatman
Montana
Member since Nov 2018
2636 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:19 am to
Welp, this thing is going to die quickly. Only 19 responses on last episode.

It's a shame. Would be cool to see a good take on it. This is just arbitrary to anything. Tulsa? Really? This is where the majority of this story takes place. And a race war? Oooh. Edgy.

They should throw 7 figures at Alan Moore to write an epilogue to the series.
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