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re: True Detective S4 Season Long Thread
Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:27 am to Damone
Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:27 am to Damone
quote:
Season 1 also had a lot of humor in the dialogue between Marty and Rust, there’s none of that here.
True and something I hadn't really thought about even though I just started season 1 again. Have the last 2 episodes and I haven't picked it back up after 1.5 weeks
My wife watched season 1 and then watched season 2 this weekend and when she asked me why everyone hated season 2 before she watched it I couldn't think of the right word but I have now: dour.
Season 4 is relentlessly dour like season 2
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 7:29 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:29 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah I did a rewatch before beginning S4 (in retrospect a big mistake) and the humor really stuck out to me. It’s something that I think subconsciously seeps in on the first watch and makes everything work so much better.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:01 am to Damone
The Marty/Rust dialogue in S1 is great, and it's made even better by the actors and their timing.
[RUST] It's all one ghetto man.
A giant gutter in outer space.
[MARTY] Today. That scene?
That is the most fricked up thing
I ever caught.
Can I ask you something?
You a Christian, yeah?
[RUST] No.
[MARTY] Then what do you
Got the cross for in your apartment?
[RUST] Eh, it's form of meditation.
[MARTY] How's that?
[RUST] I contemplate the
Moment in the garden.
The idea of allowing
your own crucifixion.
[MARTY] But you're not a Christian
So what do you believe
[RUST] I believe that
People shouldn't talk
about this type of shite at work.
[MARTY] Hold on. Hold on.
Three months we been together,
I get nothing from you.
Today? What we're into? Now.
Do me a courtesy, ok?
I'm not trying to convert you.
[RUST] Look, I consider myself
a realist, alright?
But in philisophical terms
I'm what's called a pessimist.
[MARTY] Um, ok what's that mean?
[RUST] It means I'm bad at parties.
[MARTY] [Chuckles] Let me tell you,
You ain't great outside
of parties either.
[RUST] I think human consciousness
Was a tragic misstep in evolution.
We became too self aware
Nature created an aspect of nature
Seperate from itself.
We are creatures that should not exist
By natural law.
[MARTY] Hmm, that sounds
God-frickin' awful Rust.
[RUST] We are things
Laboring with the illusion of
Having a self.
This secretion of sensory experience,
And feeling.
Programmed with total assurance,
That we are each somebody.
When, in fact, everybody's nobody.
[MARTY] I wouldn't go around
Spounting that shite, I was you.
People around here don't think that way.
I don't think that way.
[RUST] Well I think the honorable thing
For our species to do
Is deny our programming.
Stop reproducing
Walk hand and hand into extinction.
One last midnight. Brothers and sisters
Opting out of a raw deal.
[MARTY] So, [chuckle]
What's the point of getting out
Of bed in the morning?
[RUST] I tell myself I bear witness.
But the real answer is
That it's obviously my programming.
And I lack the constitution for suicide.
[MARTY] My luck, I pick today
To get to know you.
Three months, I don't hear
A word from you-
[RUST] You asked.
[MARTY] Yeah. And now I'm begging
You to shut the frick up.
[RUST] Feel a bad taste
In my mouth out here. Aluminum. Ash.
Like I can smell the psychosphere.
[MARTY] I got an idea.
Let's make the car a place
Of silent reflection from now on, okay?
[RUST] What should I bring for dinner?
[MARTY] A bottle of wine would be nice.
[RUST] I don't drink.
[MARTY] Well no, of course not, Rust.
Listen, when you're at my house,
I want you to chill the frick out.
Don't even mention any of that bullshite
You just said to me.
[RUST] Of course not, Marty,
I'm not some kind of maniac, a'ight?
I mean, frick's sake.
[RUST] It's all one ghetto man.
A giant gutter in outer space.
[MARTY] Today. That scene?
That is the most fricked up thing
I ever caught.
Can I ask you something?
You a Christian, yeah?
[RUST] No.
[MARTY] Then what do you
Got the cross for in your apartment?
[RUST] Eh, it's form of meditation.
[MARTY] How's that?
[RUST] I contemplate the
Moment in the garden.
The idea of allowing
your own crucifixion.
[MARTY] But you're not a Christian
So what do you believe
[RUST] I believe that
People shouldn't talk
about this type of shite at work.
[MARTY] Hold on. Hold on.
Three months we been together,
I get nothing from you.
Today? What we're into? Now.
Do me a courtesy, ok?
I'm not trying to convert you.
[RUST] Look, I consider myself
a realist, alright?
But in philisophical terms
I'm what's called a pessimist.
[MARTY] Um, ok what's that mean?
[RUST] It means I'm bad at parties.
[MARTY] [Chuckles] Let me tell you,
You ain't great outside
of parties either.
[RUST] I think human consciousness
Was a tragic misstep in evolution.
We became too self aware
Nature created an aspect of nature
Seperate from itself.
We are creatures that should not exist
By natural law.
[MARTY] Hmm, that sounds
God-frickin' awful Rust.
[RUST] We are things
Laboring with the illusion of
Having a self.
This secretion of sensory experience,
And feeling.
Programmed with total assurance,
That we are each somebody.
When, in fact, everybody's nobody.
[MARTY] I wouldn't go around
Spounting that shite, I was you.
People around here don't think that way.
I don't think that way.
[RUST] Well I think the honorable thing
For our species to do
Is deny our programming.
Stop reproducing
Walk hand and hand into extinction.
One last midnight. Brothers and sisters
Opting out of a raw deal.
[MARTY] So, [chuckle]
What's the point of getting out
Of bed in the morning?
[RUST] I tell myself I bear witness.
But the real answer is
That it's obviously my programming.
And I lack the constitution for suicide.
[MARTY] My luck, I pick today
To get to know you.
Three months, I don't hear
A word from you-
[RUST] You asked.
[MARTY] Yeah. And now I'm begging
You to shut the frick up.
[RUST] Feel a bad taste
In my mouth out here. Aluminum. Ash.
Like I can smell the psychosphere.
[MARTY] I got an idea.
Let's make the car a place
Of silent reflection from now on, okay?
[RUST] What should I bring for dinner?
[MARTY] A bottle of wine would be nice.
[RUST] I don't drink.
[MARTY] Well no, of course not, Rust.
Listen, when you're at my house,
I want you to chill the frick out.
Don't even mention any of that bullshite
You just said to me.
[RUST] Of course not, Marty,
I'm not some kind of maniac, a'ight?
I mean, frick's sake.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:10 am to BottomlandBrew
Their interactions with the "new" detectives were also pretty funny, especially Marty's


Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:30 am to BottomlandBrew
quote:
I got an idea. Let's make the car a place Of silent reflection from now on, okay?
this is one of the best timed, best scripted, and best delivered lines in the entire season. i will die on this hill. it's perfect.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 8:31 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Season 4 is relentlessly dour like season 2
"grim" is another appropriate word. relentlessly grim.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Their interactions with the "new" detectives were also pretty funny
Rust pulls out a cigarette
Detective: “You can’t smoke in here”
Rust: “Don’t be assholes, you wanna hear this or not.”
Detective begrudgingly slides Rust his coffee mug to ash in.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:37 am to Soul Gleaux
S1 will always be my favorite because of Alexandra DeDarrio. And the rest was pretty badass too
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:43 am to VolSquatch
quote:
Said his issue with Season 2 was that in Season 1 you had Marty bringing us back to earth from all of Rust's crazy talk, like being the audience in a way saying "WTF is Rust talking about?", but in Season 2 you just don't have that at all.
It's called buddy cop genre for a reason. Audiences love having two very different cops play off each other. S 1 and S 3 both understood that.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
I enjoyed Season 2 even though it didn’t offer much humor. Ray’s interactions with his kid were gold though. Reminded me of something out of In Bruges. Was infinitely better than this mess of a season.


Posted on 2/7/24 at 9:49 am to BottomlandBrew
That's great scene.
My favorite line. So good
quote:
[MARTY] [Chuckles] Let me tell you,
You ain't great outside
of parties either.
My favorite line. So good
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:22 am to Jsand43
quote:
Jodie Foster is 61. Making her the town harlot is really strange.
That's what I was thinking. I know it's probably hard to bang up there with the amount of people but we know drinking is prevalent. I'm sure there are a couple of wasted younger options at all times.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:49 am to Damone
Rewatching the Season 1, episode by episode breakdown from Pizzolatto and Fukunaga makes season 4 seem so much laughably worse. How methodical and planned out everything about that season was and how nuanced it was is just startling by comparison. The descriptions of the characters and how everything from the dialogue to the locations to the interactions with Maggie have meaning. Half the time in season 4, I’m not sure why I’m being presented with what’s on screen.
Season 1 wasn’t absolutely perfect but it was about as close as most any premier season of a show is going to get. Starting to think they made it an impossible act to follow.
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Season 1 wasn’t absolutely perfect but it was about as close as most any premier season of a show is going to get. Starting to think they made it an impossible act to follow.
LINK
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:58 am to hogfly
quote:I continue to enjoy the heck out of it.
Do I think it's a great quality series? Certainly not so far. But I do have a glimmer of hope after that episode.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 2:11 pm to AlxTgr
Don’t really have any clue what’s going on, but I guarantee that the killer/bad guy definitely banged Jodie Foster’s character.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 3:04 pm to OldmanBeasley
quote:
Don’t really have any clue what’s going on, but I guarantee that the killer/bad guy definitely banged Jodie Foster’s character.
that's really the only thing that we know for sure.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:04 pm to catfish 62
quote:
Aside from this season being terrible, my other takeaway is that Jodie Foster is a really, really bad actress.
She reminds me of Michael J. Fox.
with Parkinson's.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:09 pm to UnluckyTiger
quote:
I enjoyed Season 2 even though it didn’t offer much humor. Ray’s interactions with his kid were gold though. Reminded me of something out of In Bruges. Was infinitely better than this mess of a season
Yeah, Farrell did the best to carry that season. On the other hand, I think Vince Vaughn was at least half of what was wrong with it.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:12 pm to OldmanBeasley
quote:
Don’t really have any clue what’s going on, but I guarantee that the killer/bad guy definitely banged Jodie Foster’s character.
I hope we don't have to see it. She somehow made a sex scene more awkward to watch than The Accused. That was kind of impressive.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:18 pm to Damone
quote:
Season 1 also had a lot of humor in the dialogue between Marty and Rust, there’s none of that here.
Something I’ve noticed is that there are a lot of attempts at humor in this season, yet none of them land.
Danvers whoring around town, being short, etc. Is that funny in Mexico?
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