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re: Top Gun: Maverick — just want to reiterate how…

Posted on 10/3/23 at 4:32 pm to
Posted by Thracken13
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 4:32 pm to
man....it amazes me how people cannot just enjoy movies anymore, and have to dissect and nit pick every little detail.

not singling you out Ace, as you were just replying to the question - but it is just a general observation.
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 4:51 pm to
The OG Top Gun is the worst movie I’ve ever watched, and Maverick wasn’t much better.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 4:52 pm to
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Funny you post that gif of Miles Teller. That was the only groan inducing part of the movie. "thank you for saving my life!!!!"

And see, I thought it was a great little heartfelt homage to the OG TG. Top Gun was all about cheese, but it was awesome. So why should we cringe at the cheese in the sequel?
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 4:53 pm
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 4:56 pm to
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Let's say our default position is that Maverick is Tom Cruise's biological age and Penny Benjamin is Jennifer Connelly's age.

In what world would you need to make that assumption though? You do realize these are fictional characters, right?

Why wouldn’t you simply assume that they were roughly the same age in the original, especially considering we never see her onscreen and she’s only referenced like twice in the whole movie? It stands to reason that he hooked up with an admiral’s daughter who was about the same age as him. There’s absolutely no real reason to assume this naval aviator fricked a high school kid. That’s not a problem with the movie or the sequel…that’s a you thing, homey.
This post was edited on 10/4/23 at 6:39 am
Posted by Tortious
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 5:02 pm to
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Why wouldn’t you simply assume that they were roughly the same age in the original, especially considering we never see her onscreen and she’s only referenced like twice in the whole movie?


Right. An Admiral will be in their early 50s at best. She could've been 35 in the original
Posted by Handsome Pete
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 5:19 pm to
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And Maverick ejecting at Mach 10.


I choose to believe the plane had an ejection "capsule" to protect the pilot.
Posted by pwejr88
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 5:20 pm to
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argument for the best sequel of all time


It’s in my top movies of all time let alone sequel.
Posted by Akit1
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Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 5:21 pm to
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The OG Top Gun is the worst movie I’ve ever watched


You need to get out more lol.

BATMAN & ROBIN

Top Gun: Maverick was great
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 5:45 pm to
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man....it amazes me how people cannot just enjoy movies anymore, and have to dissect and nit pick every little detail.


You have to be able to suspend reality for the duration of most action/fantasy/war movies. They almost all get some things, often physics, wrong but a lot of times it is done by choice not by accident. TG and TGM require a lot of looking the other way which is fine and makes for a great popcorn movie but I think that is distinct from a great movie though a movie can be both but it is really hard.

I enjoyed TGM, I have watched it several times but it doesn't meet my definition of a great movie without caveats. IMO movies are like food sometimes you want a 3 star meal and sometimes you just want some comfort food. The problems start when some people begin to conflate the two and on the opposite side some people start to dissect the comfort food ruthlessly. Sometimes fried porkchop, gravy, and mashed potatoes are perfect.

The internet is the perfect conduit for ruining the enjoyment of movies. Everyone is a critic and plenty of people just love being a contrarian all the time. Gods forbid if there is any canon involved because it will go downhill fast.
Posted by lsusa
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 6:20 pm to
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And see, I thought it was a great little heartfelt homage to the OG TG. Top Gun was all about cheese, but it was awesome. So why should we cringe at the cheese in the sequel?


I would think that the general consensus on Top Gun as a movie was that when it came out it was “cheese” and style/flash with rock & roll music, jets, motorcycles and so forth that everyone loved, but it wasnt very “deep” in substance and didn’t age tremendously well. It wasn’t supposed to be a gritty, realistic drama.

There were always those folks back in 1985 that said “oh, if he really did that he would have been kicked out” or pointed at that at 5-1 TC couldn’t have been a pilot.

To say that Maverick is a “great movie” is wrong cause it’s not. What it is is a very well done sequel that does a great job of using the characters from and capturing the magic of the original. It’s a great sequel to the original.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 9:36 pm
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:00 pm to
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Yeah, when Connelly was 13 or 14?
Dude, people in their mid-30s play high schoolers. Characters are not the same age as their actors.

You’re the only one having an issue with this
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:22 pm to
While I doubt it would have turned out good for him, he didn’t eject. The cockpit/plane broke apart around him which evens out the deceleration. There is a story about a SR71 Blackbird crash in mid air, where one guy ejected and had his neck broken by the deceleration while the pilot couldn’t get out of the cockpit until it fully broke apart and survived, though ended up with a broken leg among other injuries.
Posted by elprez00
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:00 pm to
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he's at least 24 or 25.

At a min he would’ve had 4 years of college, then a year of flight school, and if eligible to attend Top Gun would’ve had at least finished his nugget cruise and probably done a dept head tour. So your number is probably right.

Penny being around 20 at the time isn’t creepy.
Posted by Burt Orangello
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Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:38 pm to
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And Maverick ejecting at Mach 10.



To be fair, they didn't portray it as a typical ejection (canopy jettison/ejection seat). They just showed the breakup and then him walking into the diner. For all we know the aircraft had a capsule system or something more plausible.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:41 pm to
It T2 and Aliens and Return of the King would be top pick for best sequel.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:44 pm to
I knew a 25 year old guy who dated a girl at a catholic high school in 1998. Went to her prom and all. She was 17.
The 80s were even worse than the 90s.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:14 pm to
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quote:
Let's say our default position is that Maverick is Tom Cruise's biological age and Penny Benjamin is Jennifer Connelly's age.

I’m what world would you need to make that assumption though? You do realize these are fictional characters, right?



Yeah, it's not like they rolled out Léa Seydoux from Ghost Protocol.

Connelly is just playing that older Hollywood gal role...she's in the zip code.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
95648 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 7:00 am to
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At a min he would’ve had 4 years of college, then a year of flight school, and if eligible to attend Top Gun would’ve had at least finished his nugget cruise and probably done a dept head tour. So your number is probably right.


Thank you. That aligns with Cruise's age at the time, by the way.

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Penny being around 20 at the time isn’t creepy.



I think the implication of the scandal being recited in a litany of Maverick's other transgressions suggests she couldn't have been any older than 20 and likely 18 or 19. I'm certain that's the way the scriptwriters want us to interpret it.

So, that brings us up to TGM. Shot in 2019, so we have to read the lovely Ms. Connelly as portraying a character in her mid-50s when she was an already youthful looking 48 - 49 at the time of filming.

I'm catching a bunch of grief in this thread - I LOVE these movies, but there is a dance around this casting that isn't comfortable. That's all I'm saying.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71158 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 7:12 am to
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Who says Jennifer Connely's character is her exact age in real


This. Skeet Ulrich was 26 and playing a 17-year-old in Scream.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
7348 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 7:20 am to
I've never seen someone dedicate this much effort to making a fictional character out to be a pedo.
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