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re: The Walking Dead Season Finale
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:26 am to MStant1
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:26 am to MStant1
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See I think if they could find a walled in prison or old school fortress that would be greater than a nomadic lifestyle. They could farm the land on the inside. The zombies could never over run the walls unless some idiot left the gate open (which would happen in any zombie movie ever). The difficult part would be water so they would have to dig a well or create some kind of Roman Empire water duct system from a nearby water source.
This idea has its merits, to be sure. But the knowledge and resources to maintain it... I just don't think this group, or most groups for that matter, would have it.
The water situation is a tough one. what are you going to do to drill a well? Go out and find a truck rig for drilling them? Its problematic.
Even with a nomadic lifestyle, it doesn't have to be linear. You can move from one place to another, accommodating the weather and growing seasons. You will know the land, what roads are clear, what bridges are standing. You could cache food and supplies in certain areas. You would learn to live in the world outside of your little castle... which if that thing falls apart for some reason, you would not have any of this knowledge if you stayed behind those walls for a period of time.
I see both ideas taking hold, with nomads becoming suppliers of the fortresses, and fortresses providing security for the nomads from time to time.
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:31 am to CocomoLSU
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Enigma
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If it makes everyone happy I will post only in a separate in-show thread next week that will be labeled for possible spoilers.
Now can we please drop it?
So much for that bullshite, huh? You just can't help yourself, can you...
I didn't post during the show, and I'm not posting about about spoilers. I'm speaking of complete hypotheticals.
Like I said, I didn't say a word during the "IN-SHOW" thread. Now that this is the "POST-SHOW" thread, and I haven't said a word about anything in the comics or even discuss a thing about next season, please STFU.
This post was edited on 3/19/12 at 11:34 am
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:31 am to coloradoBengal
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my wife also does not watch the show and i don't know any women that do, and from what i gather this thread is a sausagefest, but wouldn't lori's character piss women off?
I think so. My wife generally hates the bitchy characters on TV--Debra on "Raymond", Carrie on "King of Queens", and Helen Hunt's character on "Mad About You".
Good to have a wife that hates the women who bitch on their husbands all day!
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:33 am to CocomoLSU
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Even if you want to go the RV route, either get a better/newer one than Dale's
One interesting factoid from the Talking Dead last night (relax, this in no way spoils anything about the show) was that Dale's RV was the same make and model of the RV from Spaceballs.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:34 am to Enigma
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I didn't post during the show, and I'm not posting about about spoilers. I'm speaking of complete hypotheticals.
That's what you used to do too.
"Hey, guys...what if it's this instead of what ya'll are saying...Ralex, guys, I'm just guessing and posing hypotheticals...I'm just connecting the dots!"
I guess I figured when you said you wouldn't post in this thread that you'd stick to it. Guess I'll just have to try to skip past your posts.
This post was edited on 3/19/12 at 11:37 am
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:34 am to parrotdr
My wife can't stand Lori. She doesn't really watch the show, but "watches" when my daughter and I are watching it. Both her and my daughter are hoping that Lori's baby goes zombie and eats his way out of her belly. 
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:35 am to coloradoBengal
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I am off the fortress idea in the Walking Dead world. I am totally on board with moving fast and light, scavenging along the way.
Combination of the two is best IMO. Need a fortified home base from which scouting/hunting parties go out to make sure no zombie hordes are approaching, find supplies, find the living, kill zombies, etc.
From the farm they could have had rotating scouting parties, one of which would have spotted this group of zombies miles away and prepared for them or even better, diverted them.
Should also have been trapping animals and staking them out around the perimeter if possible. Speaking of animals, wtf happened to the horses? Horses would be perfect for scouting.
Rick's only major failing IMO is in failing to shift from reactive to proactive mode. Basically they've just been waiting to become victims.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:36 am to PsychTiger
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One interesting factoid from the Talking Dead last night (relax, this in no way spoils anything about the show) was that Dale's RV was the same make and model of the RV from Spaceballs.
"The Eagle 5"
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:37 am to uway
also...how do you not supply hunt one last time on that highway? shite at the very least we know there's a huge water truck there.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:37 am to coloradoBengal
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Lori's baby goes zombie and eats his way out of her belly.
I am hoping for the same thing
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:38 am to coloradoBengal
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Both her and my daughter are hoping that Lori's baby goes zombie and eats his way out of her belly.
A la "Dawn of the Dead".
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:51 am to coloradoBengal
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This idea has its merits, to be sure. But the knowledge and resources to maintain it... I just don't think this group, or most groups for that matter, would have it.
The water situation is a tough one. what are you going to do to drill a well? Go out and find a truck rig for drilling them? Its problematic.
Even with a nomadic lifestyle, it doesn't have to be linear. You can move from one place to another, accommodating the weather and growing seasons. You will know the land, what roads are clear, what bridges are standing. You could cache food and supplies in certain areas. You would learn to live in the world outside of your little castle... which if that thing falls apart for some reason, you would not have any of this knowledge if you stayed behind those walls for a period of time.
I see both ideas taking hold, with nomads becoming suppliers of the fortresses, and fortresses providing security for the nomads from time to time.
Point very well taken. I was moving off the assumption that in movies everyone can pick up skills such as farming and well digging over night.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:57 am to parrotdr
like some have pointed out, if Lori's baby goes zombie than the show becomes pointless
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:58 am to BilJ
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also...how do you not supply hunt one last time on that highway? shite at the very least we know there's a huge water truck there.
Yeah, it seems like there are times when the makers of the show could take 30 seconds of screen time and show us that the group is smarter than we think they are. Just show them checking a car or two. shite, even a throw-away line like "I can't believe all those cars on the highway were picked clean of gas and supplies" would be enough (even though we know there are supplies in them, like the zombie kit that Carl found earlier).
So how much time are we assuming has passed on the farm in total? I know Carl seemed to heal overnight and all that. But I am assuming it's been several months...maybe 2 or 3 up to 6 at most. Thoughts?
Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:59 am to BilJ
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like some have pointed out, if Lori's baby goes zombie than the show becomes pointless
I'm not sure how it could though, unless it's a stillborn. You have to die to activate the virus apparently, so a baby being born wouldn't be dying.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:00 pm to TDTGodfather
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my wife also does not watch the show and i don't know any women that do, and from what i gather this thread is a sausagefest, but wouldn't lori's character piss women off?
My wife watches and loves the show. Yes, she hates Lori as much as I do.
My other random thoughts on the episode:
Overall, really enjoyable and fun episode. Sure it was unrealistic, but what do we expect.
Migrating heard - I had no problem with this except the female zombie that was chowing down on some poor fool, then heard the helicopter and dropped her meal to walk the way the helicopter went. Since a zombie's sole purpose is to feed, is there any way a zombie would drop a meal to chase a noise?
Hooded Ninja - Like others have said, the pet zombie thing would have some difficult logistics. Maybe they will explain this. I truly hope this character isn't some kind of super hero type. One thing I like is that most of the characters are fairly realistic, right down to the stupid decisions.
Stupid decisions - My last thought got me thinking about this. Like most of you, I like second guessing and bitching about the stupid decisions made. However, we have time to think about it and have a bit of forward knowledge. I'm sure we would all make some dumb decisions if there were thousands of flesh-eating zombies chasing us. Also, smart decisions would often make for a boring show.
Rick - I loved his speach at the end. Only Hershel and Darryl get it, and that's all Rick really needs. I just wish Rick would learn to use a pimp hand as far as his wife is concerned.
Hershel/unlimited ammo - I actually didn't have a problem with this. They showed people reloading and running out of ammo often enough to let me know it was happening. They can't show every reload or that would be the entire show. My bigger issue with Hershel was that when Lori and the others walked around the corner from Hershel, there was a mob of zombies. Despite that, none of those zombies were attracted by Hershel's constant firing enough to come around the corner to attack him from behind. I know the one did at the end, but he stood there firing for a long while.
Rick's secret - He should have told. Like someone mentioned, the group would at least know to destroy the brain of anyone recently killed, regardless of cause. Also, 2 people who were suicidal because they didn't want to be zombies. If they knew Rick's secret, maybe they would have a change of mind or at least change the method of suicide to include head trauma.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:01 pm to CocomoLSU
I hope Lori dies giving birth since there is a lack of modern medicine then Carl or Rick has to put her down.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:02 pm to IPlayedGreatTonight
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my major gripe with the finale are the idea that if the zombies, who supposedly have no brain function other than the urge to feed
This sounds good, but i believe in the first episode of 1st season when Rick came across little zombie girl; didn't she pick up her teddy bear before attacking him? So maybee there is something else there, besides brainless eating machines. Probably not though, just a thought.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 12:04 pm to CocomoLSU
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So how much time are we assuming has passed on the farm in total? I know Carl seemed to heal overnight and all that. But I am assuming it's been several months...maybe 2 or 3 up to 6 at most. Thoughts?
Walking Dead Timeline
82 days from Global Outbreak. Carl shot on Day 68? Damn, he does heal fast!
Sounds like a fishy timeline to me, but as someone said, why nitpick on a show about reanimated zombies?
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