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re: The Walking Dead Season Finale

Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:00 am to
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:00 am to
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I don't see what telling them would have harmed, and I don't see why everyone is all up in arms about him not telling them. WTF difference does it really make? What would they have done differently? Ran off and killed themselves? Am I supposed to believe that they are only fighting to survive because they thought they had a chance of not become a zombie when they died?


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the only argument I may hear is it would teach them to be more aware of someone who dies of natural causes and to go ahead and finish them off before they come back
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Posted by MStant1
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:01 am to
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You can only run so far before exhaustion sets in. At the end, Andrea was barely staying standing because she running on fumes as well as being out of ammo. Climb a tree and rest quietly or be eaten, those are the only two options in that situation.


Climbing a tree would result in certain death. The zombies would quite literally never leave if they saw her climb up the tree. She would be stuck.

Running atleast gives her a shot.
Posted by coloradoBengal
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:02 am to
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It looked like the bottom half of the prison walls were stone or brick and not just chain link. I could be wrong though.


It had stone pillars at the very least. Not sure about a complete wall.

In any event. I want to be able to open those gates and run along the fence lines with a snow plow or a combine though.


Discarding other zombie universe information, and going solely on what I've seen in this TV show... I'm going to say that a nomadic lifestyle is a better choice than a fortress one.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:02 am to
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I think the thing that bothered me the most was how the boyfriend of the emo daughter died. Why did he stop the RV? Why not just let Rick and Carl jump on top and then keep driving? Why the frick did he stop, and then try to get out when it was surrounded?

Yeah, that was weird. It should've taken 10 seconds, max, for Rick and Carl to jump onto the RV. Ye this dude is putting it in park and running to the back (or the door?). Stupid move big time.

As far as vehicles, I'd get good gas mileage cars and big trucks...there should be plenty of both around. Fortify them as much as possible and only ever use those vehicles. The truck beds should be full to the rim of any and every helpful supply you can find, most importantly food and gas. Even if you want to go the RV route, either get a better/newer one than Dale's, or just use a bus (which we know are around) and pull the seats out.

Every vehicle they ride in should have multiple spare containers of gas.

As far as weapons, it's easy to say "They should just use an AR-15" but those weapons aren't just lying around. At least with gas and supplies, you have an overabundance of deserted vehicles lying around.

The zombie raid on the barn showed just how unprepared they all were. There should've been getaway vehicles at the ready at all times, with an emergency plan in place. I was shocked that they ALL went back to the Sophia rations. I understand most of them, but every single one did. I assume they didn't talk about it beforehand either, which is why Lori had to convince T-Dawg to go back.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:05 am to
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I think it's dumb on both ends. At the very least rick should have told them about it but I also don't see why its such an act of betrayal by not telling them, it really isn't all that relevant until you die anyway.

I kinda agree with that, but I think he should've said something because it is helpful if you ever come across the recently-deceased, or if you kill someone. You walk away thinking it's over and don't even realize that they are about to reanimate.
Posted by MStant1
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:06 am to
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The zombie raid on the barn showed just how unprepared they all were. There should've been getaway vehicles at the ready at all times, with an emergency plan in place. I was shocked that they ALL went back to the Sophia rations. I understand most of them, but every single one did. I assume they didn't talk about it beforehand either, which is why Lori had to convince T-Dawg to go back.


I think the last episode they had prepared some what. They showed them moving all the vehicles close to the house for easy access and facing out for escape.

Also all of them heading toward the Sophia rations makes sense because it was the only possible common area they all knew about.
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:07 am to
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I think the last episode they had prepared some what


... and putting rations and equipment in the basement... THAT GOT LEFT BEHIND!
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:09 am to
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I think it's dumb on both ends. At the very least rick should have told them about it but I also don't see why its such an act of betrayal by not telling them, it really isn't all that relevant until you die anyway.



Jenner was crazy, how could Rick know if it was the truth? Also, that information would have had a devastating effect on morale no matter when it was divulged. I think it's better to have it verified first.

As to Jimmy (the guy in the RV) and Patricia (Otis wife), who didn't see them getting killed off? Hardly any camera-time is usually a good indicator that someone is about to get bit (time to step up, T-Dawg)
Posted by MStant1
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:13 am to
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... and putting rations and equipment in the basement... THAT GOT LEFT BEHIND!


Yeah, Rations in the basement didn't make sense.

The vehicles should have been equipped to pick up and go at all times stocked with the rations and ammo.

Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:15 am to
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would cutting off a zombie head kill the zombie? i.e. you'd sever the spinal cord but no brain damage.


It doesn,t kill it, but it's much easier to avoid a head that's just snapping at you then a zombie with arms and legs.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:16 am to
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It doesn,t kill it, but it's much easier to avoid a head that's just snapping at you then a zombie with arms and legs.


Which begs the question: Do we know yet how long a zombie can keep going without feeding?
Posted by Enigma
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:17 am to
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Thoughts???

I like the idea of the prison, but with options for "mowing" the fence lines when they get congested with zombies. Obviously tunnel/sewer exits would be a plus, but I don't see those existing in a real prison.


I wasn't talking about a prison. Just a hypothetical.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:17 am to
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Jenner was crazy, how could Rick know if it was the truth?

Because they believed everything else he said up to that point. Because he's a fricking scientist who was familiar with the zombie virus (or whatever) and had done tests and experiments on it. Because he was the smartest person in the room. Why WOULDN'T they believe him? Just because he decided to end his own life and was an a-hole by potentially ending theirs doesn't mean he was wrong about his information.
Posted by MStant1
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:19 am to
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Discarding other zombie universe information, and going solely on what I've seen in this TV show... I'm going to say that a nomadic lifestyle is a better choice than a fortress one.


See I think if they could find a walled in prison or old school fortress that would be greater than a nomadic lifestyle. They could farm the land on the inside. The zombies could never over run the walls unless some idiot left the gate open (which would happen in any zombie movie ever). The difficult part would be water so they would have to dig a well or create some kind of Roman Empire water duct system from a nearby water source.
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:21 am to
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I wasn't talking about a prison. Just a hypothetical.


yeah. I know. But I tossed the prison idea in there.

I don't like the idea of living underground completely. I like the idea of being able to move around underground, but it seems like there would be too many openings to make it secure. You would be vulnerable and limited in your escape routes down there.

The moat idea needs a way to dispose of or kill the zombies that fall into it. I don't know how you would do that. Burn them with valuable fuel? I don't know.

I am off the fortress idea in the Walking Dead world. I am totally on board with moving fast and light, scavenging along the way.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:21 am to
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Enigma

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If it makes everyone happy I will post only in a separate in-show thread next week that will be labeled for possible spoilers.
Now can we please drop it?

So much for that bullshite, huh? You just can't help yourself, can you...
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:22 am to
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Because they believed everything else he said up to that point. Because he's a fricking scientist who was familiar with the zombie virus (or whatever) and had done tests and experiments on it. Because he was the smartest person in the room. Why WOULDN'T they believe him? Just because he decided to end his own life and was an a-hole by potentially ending theirs doesn't mean he was wrong about his information.


Even if Rick didn't believe Jenner when they found the security guards at the school his suspicions should been answered.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:24 am to
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I think it's better to have it verified first.


Unless they verified it by being eaten by someone they just killed.
Rick knew, so he was making sure everyone got it in the head (presumably he just forgot in the emotion of the Shane killing), but what if it happened while he wasn't around?
I'm a big Rick backer, but he should have told them. They should also all be as smart as Daryl and realize that other than that Rick's done a pretty good job, considering.

Posted by MStant1
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:24 am to
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Which begs the question: Do we know yet how long a zombie can keep going without feeding?


Zombies don't eat for sustenance. They only eat as a primal instinct; not for hunger or need.

Zombies theoretically should only last as long as the rate of decomp. Admittedly though decomp rates are greatly ignored in the zombie universe.

Ignoring decomp; zombies could last forever without eating because they don't need to eat.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 11:25 am to
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Even if Rick didn't believe Jenner when they found the security guards at the school his suspicions should been answered.


Yeah, I guess you're right (had forgotten about that).
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