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re: The Haunting of Hill House-Netflix
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:16 pm to blackinthesaddle
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:16 pm to blackinthesaddle
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I'm not familiar with the novel, so I can't comment on what's in it. But, the novel was taken by Netflix and handed to probably a roomful of Harvard, Stanford, and other Ivy League English Lit grads to work into a 10-part series. I imagine that they definitely were aware of the themes they were working around.
Since you haven't read the novel, I'll give you a pass, but the plot of the series is nothing like the original source material. I won't go into great detail except to say that the Crains are already dead when the novel begins, and nothing revealed about their back story resembles anything like what's presented in the series.
Literally, the only resemblance between the novel and the series are the name of the house, the fact that it's evil, the names of some of the characters, and the fact that the Dudleys work at Hill House. That's pretty much it. Stephen, Luke, Theo, and Nell aren't members of the Crain family in the novel.
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:23 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
Interesting that they stripped the novel like that. Wonder what the author thinks.
I'm glad you mentioned the Dudleys, because they are literally so afraid to upset the status quo and their positions at Hill House that they are willing to sacrifice their daughter to the system.
I'm glad you mentioned the Dudleys, because they are literally so afraid to upset the status quo and their positions at Hill House that they are willing to sacrifice their daughter to the system.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:27 pm to blackinthesaddle
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Wonder what the author thinks.
Shirley Jackson died in 1965.
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I'm glad you mentioned the Dudleys, because they are literally so afraid to upset the status quo and their positions at Hill House that they are willing to sacrifice their daughter to the system.
I don't recall their having a daughter in the novel, but then again they were minor characters.
Something else that was odd was the writers' need to create a fictional Hill family who originally owned the house. In the novel and the previous 2 filmed adaptations, the Crain family built Hill House.
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:34 pm to blackinthesaddle
at what point did they sacrifice their daughter?
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:36 pm to BadMrK
*SPOILERS*
When she's poisoned and they come up with the idea to cover up her death like nothing happened.
When she's poisoned and they come up with the idea to cover up her death like nothing happened.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:37 pm to BadMrK
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at what point did they sacrifice their daughter?
SPOILERS:
While they technically didn't sacrifice Abigail, they helped cover up the fact that Olivia poisoned her.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:43 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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Something else that was odd was the writers' need to create a fictional Hill family who originally owned the house. In the novel and the previous 2 filmed adaptations, the Crain family built Hill House.
Makes sense from my interpretation: the patriarchy was there before the Crains. They couldn't have built it, they were part of a system that they didn't create and that has become toxic.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:43 pm to blackinthesaddle
*SPOILERS*
I think that's very different than sacrificing her. They just knew that if nobody knew about anything, then at least the house could remain a secret from the world and they could continue to see their daughter. They had no intention of essentially "feeding" her to the house, in fact I believe they mention not allowing her near the house.
I think that's very different than sacrificing her. They just knew that if nobody knew about anything, then at least the house could remain a secret from the world and they could continue to see their daughter. They had no intention of essentially "feeding" her to the house, in fact I believe they mention not allowing her near the house.
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 10/25/18 at 2:52 pm to BadMrK
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I think that's very different than sacrificing her. They just knew that if nobody knew about anything, then at least the house could remain a secret from the world and they could continue to see their daughter. They had no intention of essentially "feeding" her to the house, in fact I believe they mention not allowing her near the house.
**SPOILERS AGAIN**
By keeping their daughter away from the house "society", they protected her as a child from the constraints of it (they were hyper-religious foils for the Crains). Ultimately, it doesn't matter if you try to avoid the problem, it eventually will effect you (message). Ultimately, the Dudley's religiosity is an extension of the patriarchy and thus they have sacrificed their daughter to a perpetually constrained childhood instead of up-ending the system. To them their female child is worth less than the stability of the system.
That is a sacrifice.
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 10/25/18 at 3:06 pm to blackinthesaddle
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By keeping their daughter away from the house "society", they protected her as a child from the constraints of it (they were hyper-religious foils for the Crains). Ultimately, it doesn't matter if you try to avoid the problem, it eventually will effect you (message). Ultimately, the Dudley's religiosity is an extension of the patriarchy and thus they have sacrificed their daughter to a perpetually constrained childhood instead of up-ending the system. To them their female child is worth less than the stability of the system. That is a sacrifice
That's definitely an interesting take on the story. I don't doubt at all that it's what the writers of the show were going for, but I'm not sure that it was Ms. Jackson's intent when she wrote the novel back in 1959.
That said, some of her short stories, The Lottery in particular, had very strong underlying themes in them.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 3:13 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
There are going to be alternative theories, but this one's mine and I think there is evidence for it. 
I also think the Director's 5 stages of grief for the siblings sounds right... and he should know!
Ms. Jackson's book has been hollywooded, which is no surprise. Just hope her readers enjoy it for what it is and not become angry for what it isn't.
I also think the Director's 5 stages of grief for the siblings sounds right... and he should know!
Ms. Jackson's book has been hollywooded, which is no surprise. Just hope her readers enjoy it for what it is and not become angry for what it isn't.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 7:20 pm to blackinthesaddle
Everyone please stop feeding the troll.
Show is awesome. Should be a one-off. If American Horror Story has stopped after the first season it would have been great. It was so good couldn’t match or top it.
Show is awesome. Should be a one-off. If American Horror Story has stopped after the first season it would have been great. It was so good couldn’t match or top it.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:41 pm to GWfool
Just finished it. Amazing show.
Spoilers below
First show or movie in a long damn time that made me cry. Wasn't expecting the guy taking his wife back to the house to die and seeing her when their kids to get me but damn it did
Spoilers below
First show or movie in a long damn time that made me cry. Wasn't expecting the guy taking his wife back to the house to die and seeing her when their kids to get me but damn it did
Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:46 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:That hit close to home for me because I deal with it on a semi regular basis. Started when I was 14. Im so used to it now that when it happens all I think about it breathing and rolling my head back and forth until I move enough to wake my body up.
I've had bouts of sleep paralysis and this series is giving me fits. I don't usually get the chills during horror movies/series but I'm freaking out during the sleep paralysis scenes.
My SO freaked out when she heard that I have that happen
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:12 am to Henry Jones Jr
SPOILERS
Just finished it. One of the greatest shows I’ve ever seen. Unbelievable.
I have a stupid question though: were the ghosts/ghouls actually there haunting them in childhood and as adults?
Was it just figments of their imagination?
Like the addict, was the tall slender man just a representation of his addiction always lurking menacingly?
If the hauntings/ghosts weren’t real was the mom just simply mentally ill?
Were the ghosts just manifestations of their fears/issues?
Just finished it. One of the greatest shows I’ve ever seen. Unbelievable.
I have a stupid question though: were the ghosts/ghouls actually there haunting them in childhood and as adults?
Was it just figments of their imagination?
Like the addict, was the tall slender man just a representation of his addiction always lurking menacingly?
If the hauntings/ghosts weren’t real was the mom just simply mentally ill?
Were the ghosts just manifestations of their fears/issues?
Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:33 am to 225bred
The ghosts are quite real and there are dozens of them. They were only in the house for a few months, however.
The Crain family business was buying and flipping houses.
The Crain family business was buying and flipping houses.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:58 am to VoxDawg
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The ghosts are quite real and there are dozens of them. They were only in the house for a few months, however.
The Crain family business was buying and flipping houses.
So what about the hauntings that were occurring to the adults after moving out of the house?
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:42 pm to 225bred
Spoilers
So Abigail's parents left her home alone all day so they could work at the mansion. She then roamed free and wound up playing with Luke. Then they covered up her death. Bad parenting.
So Abigail's parents left her home alone all day so they could work at the mansion. She then roamed free and wound up playing with Luke. Then they covered up her death. Bad parenting.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:03 pm to 225bred
Spoiler
The house was constantly trying to get the family back to it. I believe the father made a comment that his family was like an unfinished meal to it.
The house was constantly trying to get the family back to it. I believe the father made a comment that his family was like an unfinished meal to it.
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:30 am to SUG
Bumping this thread since it doesn't deserve to be on page 4!! I just finished THOHH yesterday & what an outstanding show! Easily the best Netflix original I've seen.
QUESTION/SPOILER:
Did they ever explain Arthurs death? Was it really an aneurysm?
QUESTION/SPOILER:
Did they ever explain Arthurs death? Was it really an aneurysm?
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