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lostinbr
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re: The Expanse - Season 6 (Final) 12/10/21
Just watched it.. I don’t know that it’s really worth holding back spoilers at this point. I feel like anyone who clicks this thread after the finale is up should know better.

But I guess I’ll leave a tag…. SPOILERS!!




I thought the finale was actually pretty damned good. As frustrating as the whole Filip/Naomi storyline was (particularly in S5), it definitely added some impact to the moment the Pella tried to enter the ring space. I don’t think it was enough impact to make that entire storyline worthwhile in hindsight, but it did make Naomi’s scream at that moment feel meaningful.

I also think this was one of the better performances by the actress that plays Naomi. I’m sure some will disagree because she’s not a very likable character (in the show at least, haven’t read the books) and that’s fine. She hasn’t been great, but I thought she nailed that whole sequence of finding a way to win and holding her emotions in check until it was done.

The Filip/Marco part though.. not so much. I get what they were trying to do with the scene when Filip confronted Marco about his lack of guilt, but it just didn’t land. Something about their interactions is just off. It’s partially the actor that plays Filip not being very good, but seems like the dialogue isn’t very well-written either.

I was at the edge of my seat for pretty much the entire assault on the ring. The part where Amos went in for a his landing was incredible. It was so chaotic. But the actual ship-to-ship space combat seemed lacking. Definitely the best this season, but still kind of lackluster. Part of me thinks it’s because they maybe used their whole CGI budget on Amos’ landing, and that the people piloting the ships in combat generally look way too comfortable. But then the other part of me thinks that maybe it’s the same CGI we’ve seen since S1, and they are trying to portray what an actual space battle would look like rather than dramatizing it.

Lastly, I really don’t understand WTF is going on with the Laconia plot line. The part with the kids and the “dogs” seemed straightforward enough without giving all the secrets away. But what’s this shite about “killing a god?” I guess that’s the subject of the Laconia book everyone keeps referencing, it was just kind of unsatisfying to tease a show or movie that may or may not ever get made without at least getting some resolution to that plot line before the series ended. (Not actually looking for the answers from book readers, because now I might have to go read it. )

Oh.. and I had to laugh at one of Avasarala’s last lines in the series being “don’t you fricking do it…”


jmarto1
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We are basically left hanging on the protomolecule. I wish we could get some closure on that. Rhe show was a fun ride for me. The only down part being the Naomi storyline.


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Sun God
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Throwing in the Laconia stuff was nothing more than just bait to get more episodes/movies made in the future
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Scoob
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Last episode was good. Closed out most of it, at least. Left the Laconia storyline for a future project I guess.

Interesting to see Steven Strait as the exec producer, and I think Wes Chatham as a producer. I didn't note other cast members, just happened to see that. I wonder if that means they get more profit, or if it was simply a desire to get on the other side of the camera for a story they'd been doing nearly a decade?

On the Naomi-Filip side of the story... I guess Filip finally grew up and had enough of Marco's ego. I could see that being interesting in writing, but the portrayal was pretty wooden.

I have to admit, I didn't get the strategic purpose of focusing the battle on the Ring. Was Marco planning on popping in and out?


hogfly
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Filip’s fate in the books if anyone cares:

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After leaving the bar, Filip begins to see that Marco has manipulated the narrative behind everything in Filip's life the way he manipulated the defeat at the hands of the Rocinante into a victory. He answers a call from the Pella, only to hear directly from Marco that the Pella and the rest of the Free Navy are going to be burning for Medina Station to hunt down James Holden and Naomi, and that Filip has to return to the ship in a half-hour. Filip feigns excitement. Then, he drops his gun and communicator into the recycler and signs on as a workman at the local employment office (using the name Filip Nagata), missing the launch time for the Pella and avoiding being on board when the remainder of the Free Navy are killed by the Ring.


And as of yet, we haven’t seen him again. I guess it’s possible he will come back, but I kind of like him walking off into the sunset and living a life of obscurity as an Everyman
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Aubie Spr96
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Watched it last night. Felt like the ending was rushed. They didn’t setup the problem with the rings well enough and why some were disappearing. They didn’t setup the assault well enough.


lostinbr
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I have to admit, I didn't get the strategic purpose of focusing the battle on the Ring. Was Marco planning on popping in and out?

As I understand it, his plan (once he had effectively lost his offensive capabilities because all of his asteroids got taken out) was to retreat to the ring/Medina and hold the ring space hostage. I guess between the railguns and his fleet, the idea was that they would have been able to control the ring indefinitely. The added bonus was probably the fact that he could pop into any of the other galaxies if it ever looked like he was going to lose, and they wouldn’t be able to find him.

From a strategic standpoint it makes a lot of sense. Avasarala said control of the rings was control of “the fate of our species” or something along those lines at the end. It seems like he would have a ton of options once his fleet made it there. He could block any supply deliveries to/from the UN/Mars colonies and basically continue to frick shite up. He could claim all of the habitable worlds for the belt. Or he could use it as a bargaining chip to force the inners to negotiate.

I think the asteroid campaign was used to keep the UNN and MCRN fleets busy at home while they built up the defense systems on the ring. The inners couldn’t go after Medina until the asteroids were disabled, and by that time the railguns were in place.

Kind of sucks that they didn’t do a great job of highlighting the strategic significance of Marco’s decisions. They made it seem like Marco was shooting from the hip, probably to maintain some of the surprises, but it actually would have been a pretty brilliant plan.


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wadewilson
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Lastly, I really don’t understand WTF is going on with the Laconia plot line. The part with the kids and the “dogs” seemed straightforward enough without giving all the secrets away. But what’s this shite about “killing a god?”


The Laconians know about the red entities.

It becomes a substory by design, just like the protomolecule in early seasons. Earth and Mars were more interested in fighting each other than saving everyone from the blue goo.


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pheroy
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Watched it last night. Felt like the ending was rushed. They didn’t setup the problem with the rings well enough and why some were disappearing. They didn’t setup the assault well enough.



The whole season felt a bit rushed and shortchanged to me. Wedging in the Laconia story didn't help. Underdeveloped or unfinished

There were some GREAT elements to this finale - Amos & Bobbie in the Medina assault. But some parts were hard to put together at first watch.
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hiltacular
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I really enjoyed the finale.

The Laconia storyline should have been left out.


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What the heck was that? That was horrible. Friend told me today that this was final and I was like how. The how was that piece of crap.


PassingThrough
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The whole season felt a bit rushed and shortchanged to me.


Yes, it would have been better had they delved into the problem of near certain starvation in the near future all over the system as well as the problem for Belters not being able to easily inhabit all the available worlds due to gravity issues. That is why Medina becomes such a focus for their pride- it should have been featured a bit more as well as hashing out exactly what caused Going Dutchman and the plan to use it against Marcos after having to take out the rail guns. While I think Duarte had probably heard of ships disappearing going through the ring gates, I doubt he knew anything more at that time. Even 35 years down the road, he is just getting around to testing the Unknown Aggressors to his regret.


hogfly
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Seems like the remaining novels and the time jump are ripe for either another series or… a trilogy of movies.

Laconia in this body of work, just leaves unfinished business.


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jefforize
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Some solid action but a disappointing end to me, but as I outlined previously this was always going to be the case due to the source. It was extremely predictable that Marco would get taken out by the unknown aggressors . But the rocinante being inside the ring space facing certain doom made it interesting . The assault and battle were cool

Marco and the belt won but an unknown entity we know very little about took him out because of a mass limit or something . Earth is in shambles but have a new corn hybrid at least… Mars is seemingly over . A nice Laconia story left open ended . Just disappointing but still a good series to me.


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LEASTBAY
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The dogs are the most interesting part to me. Didn't picture them like this from the books. The gods are the entities that took Marco and his ship. This seems like another episode in the show and hopefully it won't end. Alot of story lines still open.


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lostinbr
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Yes, it would have been better had they delved into the problem of near certain starvation in the near future all over the system

They did to an extent - or at least they spent a fair amount of time early in the season (episode 1?) focusing on the food situation on Earth. Maybe they didn’t do a great job of explaining how that affects the rest of the system.
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as well as the problem for Belters not being able to easily inhabit all the available worlds due to gravity issues. That is why Medina becomes such a focus for their pride- it should have been featured a bit more

I think this is the kind of thing that’s easy to get across in a novel, but really hard in a TV series. A couple of stray comments from Marco or whoever about gravity on the habitable worlds just wouldn’t be enough to really get the point across, and it would take a lot of time to really effectively demonstrate how that relates to their feelings about Medina.

I do agree with everyone saying it was rushed though. I don’t understand what the deal is with showrunners doing these short final seasons. It’s like they think people will get bored and tune out if the plot slows down for even a second... as if anyone who has already invested in 5 seasons is going to stop now. I don’t think we necessarily needed a lot more epic space battles, just more time to let the politics and the characters’ motivations develop in a way that makes sense.


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I really don’t understand WTF is going on with the Laconia plot line. The part with the kids and the “dogs” seemed straightforward enough without giving all the secrets away. But what’s this shite about “killing a god?” I guess that’s the subject of the Laconia book everyone keeps referencing, it was just kind of unsatisfying to tease a show or movie that may or may not ever get made without at least getting some resolution to that plot line before the series ended. (Not actually looking for the answers from book readers, because now I might have to go read it


Well I’m not going to read it so some explanation of the point of the magic dogs bringing the zombie kid back would be nice. The entire side story came off as completely random and unconnected to the main story.


PhineasFreakaZoid
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Meh ending. I think the space engagements were better in earlier seasons and honestly, the space choreography in BSG was superior. And that show is like a decade old now. Or getting close. A lot of the magic was just lost after the shift from the protomolecule and the killing off of great secondary characters.

Marco went out like the bitch he is. Bobbie and Amos got the cool scenes.

Very unsatisfactory ending though by and large.


DaTruth7
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Agree, what could have been for this show. First 4 and a half seasons were great. Amazon took a hatchet to the show after that. Pretty sad last season and a half.


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