re: The Boys on Amazon Prime - Out now

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Homelander is Sheriff Lucas from Cinemax's Banshee. I knew I had seen that actor before, just couldn't place him. He

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I haven't seen banshee. Homelander though is the best character on the show.

He’s missing the initial point of the show

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He’s missing the initial point of the show

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I completely get the point of the show.

She wasn't raped and she wasn't sexually assaulted. Her moral character was tested and she failed.

Her moral character failed the same way queen Maeve's moral character failed and continues to fail.

I'm about 4 episodes in. Maybe it changes but right now, they're all sell outs, including blondie. If all she has to do is give one lousy blowjob then she probably got off easy.

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As of now, does Homelander even have a beef with Butcher?
I mean, he's insane, he's cruel and sadistic, etc... but he seems in a weird way to actually be 'attempting' to be the hero.

I mean, when he discovered that Butcher was coming after him, he didn't just go snuff Billy, he did the investigating and figured out why. And what he discovered was that both Butcher and he were played. And he respected that Butcher seemingly had a legitimate gripe... so he went out of his way to "save" him. Both literally, and by showing him what he did afterwards.


He's doing it to torture Butcher. Thus the "she came three times", "you're my son", and "we're a family" comments in the last two scenes. He's just dangling what Butcher wants in front of him, not helping him in any way.

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I think a core part of his personality is that he feels the need for approval from most others (through their belief that he's better than they are) and fear from those he deems as an enemy. He probably sees both as respect. Being Homelander he's always had those two things from non-supes (and most other supes) until Billy. He's genuinely impressed that Billy isn't afraid of him and his actions mean Billy doesn't approve of him so now he's in a position that's probably quite alien to him, he's now like the hot chick who falls for the guy that treats her like shite.

His taking Billy to where Bonnie and her son live is probably a lot of an attempt to win over some approval ("See? I'm not a bad guy, I found your missing wife, she's alive and well and I saved you so you could see it for yourself." Also, "I'm such a good guy that once I found out I had a child I came to him to help raise him, and I brought you to prove to you how good of a guy I am.")


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Look i get it. The definition of rape is changing. Workplace coercion, which is immoral and illegal has now become rape. As each year passes, it seems the definition becomes broader and broader.

Some people seem ok now with defining rape (as portrayed in this episode) as being forced into a career choice. A vile choice? Yes. A life or limb threatening choice toward the victim or another person? No.

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You are wrong, legal definition of rape has included coercion in it for a long time. It isn’t just involuntary sex by threat of physical harm.

Great fricking show

If they do Herogasm in season 2, more will show up.

Herogasm is when the superhuman community goes off to have an orgy on a private island while they are ostensibly doing one of those gigantic crossovers like Infinity Gauntlet or Civil War.

Without attacking anyone-
why are we spending multiple pages discussing whether there's rape in this show?

I mean, there's so much more to enjoy and discuss about it, besides "did The Deep actually rape Starlight, was it just sexual assault, or was it nothing at all".

I'm intrigued by Homelander's final scenes with Butcher. My take is that he didn't rape Becca, and not sure there was a lot of coercion. I think she got starry eyed, and Homelander's account of it is pretty dead-on.

She split over the guilt of what she'd done, and then had to stay gone due to the nature of the pregnancy/child (needed Vought's resources to manage the kid).

Don't think Homelander is actively the "evil mastermind", I think he's mostly just a sociopath who doesn't think others are equal to him... this comes both from his being raised in a lab, and from his correct awareness that he is, indeed, "superior" to everyone else. Physically, he just is.
So A) he doesn't know how to interact, and thus says shite like he did to Stillwell (you're leaking, a woman your age, etc) and Butcher (your wife came 3 times, wow she was a tiger in bed). I don't think he was being mean, he literally doesn't know any better.
And B) he has a growing disdain for anyone else in power, because they don't have the power he has.

Re his actions- I'd say he actually does view himself as the necessary savior of America, and he's playing the part as he sees it. He's doing the PR work to keep the populace happy, and he's doing things behind the scenes to integrate himself into the highest levels of government. He's not blown up the White House (yet), he's doing this via media manipulation so that it's a popular takeover.

Given this angle, I don't see him as viewing Butcher as an enemy right now. He's "corrected" Butcher's mistaken belief that HE did anything sinister to Becca- that was Stillwell and Vought. He just fricked her, and of course what woman wouldn't want to frick Homelander? And btw Butcher, quite a wife you have, she is a maniac in bed, you lucky devil. In his mind he's complimenting Billy.

I could see him (Homelander) as actually expecting Butcher to thank him, for bringing the truth to light, finding his wife, and for taking out those involved.

And to me, that's what makes Homelander truly scary. Not that he's malicious, but that he sees himself as beyond the rules. He doesn't care about killing a person, any more than a gardener cares about weeding.

I'm watching now, great first episode so far.

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***Probably the last time I give spoiler warnings since it's getting pretty open now, maybe OP can update title to "Spoilers after x page"****

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but I think that he proved a simple indifference to good/bad during the plane rescue. He could have easily saved everyone, but when he got to the cockpit, he used his eyeball lasers to frick up the piloting system when he could have easily killed the terrorist by hand. He knew exactly what he was doing, he just didn't care.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, I might have the timeline out of order here.

But- he kills the tower shooter (Maeve's collar) by shoving his fist through the guy's chest, and gets disgusted about having the blood on his glove. "God damn it" and wiping it off.
After that, it's all lasers, until he steps on that terrorist's head, right? And there's a difference between your boot and your hand.

Maybe he doesn't want to get his hands dirty... literally. Squeamish.
BTW, how the frick do you sweep the whole cockpit panel with laser vision? I mean, aren't you just staring right at your target? That should be extremely precise, at least in point of impact.

In other spoiler words, what's the plan with A-Train now? if Starlight saves him, does he swap sides? She's up shite creek if he doesn't, as Homelander already has his doubts about her.