re: *SPOILERS* Ahsoka Season 1 Episodes 1 and 2 discussion thread | 8/22 @ 8PM Central

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How do we feel about Sabine seemingly being force sensitive? I feel like that is something Kanaan would have picked up on in Rebels, but perhaps her connection was too weak then.

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No one (Ezra nor Kanan) ever said she was force sensitive. But there is one point when Kanan is training her to use the dark saber that Hera asks Kanan if the difference in how he was training her (with a wooden sword) versus how he trained Ezra (with a live lightsaber) was because she doesn’t have the Force. Kanan's reply was "The Force resides in all living things, but you have to be open to it" (and that goes back to Obi-Wan telling Luke that the force flows through all living things). But he obviously felt that she had nowhere near the level of force sensitivity that Ezra (and probably most other padawans) did, and I think that Huyang reinforces that thought when he tells her that she's the least Force-sensitive person he's ever witnessed in Jedi training. 

I'm starting to wonder if maybe instead of relying solely on force moves during battle, if Ahsoka will start training her to use Mandalorian tactics and weapons to supplement her low force-sensitivity. She does decide to gear up with her Mandalorian armor at the end of episode 2. I think her learning to mix Jedi and Mandalorian tactics would be an interesting twist, and far more interesting than making her just another force-sensitive Jedi.

In the end Dave Filoni created Sabine's character, so from a creativity standpoint he is probably entitled to evolve her character has he sees fit. And I have faith that he won't do anything too crazy that would be totally out of character for her evaluation...for now anyways.

The witch has a “feeling” Thrawn is at this other galaxy. The witch knows the map is the only way to navigate to this galaxy. You can only travel based on the inputs of nav computer. Han brings this up in new hope. In the Star Wars Universe you got to remember that everything was more advanced in the past, so people moved around more, but that info was lost or hidden over time.

The charts become a trope, but a necessary evil to move to new places or try to hide Luke or the Emperor.

After writing this I wish it to be known that I have in fact bedded down a lady.

This is like trying to claim that Peter Jackson’s lord of the rings is on par with rings of power because elves showed up at Helm’s Deep. There are massive gulfs of difference between small, continuity issues and obscenely ridiculous plot holes.

But I do love the cope. The imagination being spun by those defending Disney Star Wars actually exceeds anything in Disney Star Wars.

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With the Force: are we talking about something you can eventually acquire?

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This is where the decannozation of the EU sucks, this was explained in the EU. Here is the cannon explanation.
Yoda explains it to Luke this way, "You Must Feel The Force Around You. Here. Between You, Me, The Tree, The Rock, Everywhere, Yes. Even Between The Land And The Ship."

Everything in the star wars universe has a connection to the force. Jedi/Sith just learn to manipulate the field. Think of it as dark matter in our universe. Everything in our universe intersects this dark matter. It makes up the majority of matter of our universe, but we cannot see it or feel it or even perceive it. Now imagine certain beings could manipulate dark matter to certain degrees.

The force is the matter that binds the entire SW universe together.

I never watched the other shows related to this, so I don’t know the characters. That being said, I do like what I’ve seen so far. Only thing I’m not caring for is the green female General (forget her name).
She doesn’t have a military general mannerism to me. Her character is too light. Generals should be ridged, straight forward, etc.
I’m not hating on it, I just don’t like her mannerism as a general.

For those saying “Disney Lightsabers”, you do realize ILM (LucasFilms) is still the production company? The same company that’s done it since the very first SW.

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If I remember correctly, typically a Jedi had to pass the trials and be granted the rank of Knight before moving on to having an apprentice. But, in Rebels Kanan was never more than a Padawan and he took on Ezra, so maybe this will explore more of that/open up a larger world of Jedi-type folks who were taught by those who had never completed their training or gone through the Trials.

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Correct.

I think it’s worth noting that when Kanan took on Ezra, it was out of necessity because of the decimation of the Jedi. It’s reasonable to think you’ll have folks that aren’t Luke level but are still Jedi material but there just isn’t enough Jedi to train them.

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I was confused by the tag line for Ahsoka on the D+ tag. It starts as a Jedi Knight to describe Ahsoka, but she was never a Jedi Knight. Disney does not even know their own lore! LOL

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In the crawl at the beginning of episode one it said "former Jedi". Now I don't think she ever took on the title of "Jedi Knight", but she was accepted into the Jedi Order and was granted the rank of Jedi Padawan. So technically I think she is at the very least a former Jedi.

But here is a link to an article that goes into some thoughts on why Filoni is now throwing the term "Jedi" around in reference to Ahsoka: LINK

Here is a exert from that article:

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Ahsoka Tano has become one of the most beloved characters in Star Wars, but there continues to be much debate about whether she is still a Jedi. Although she left the Jedi Order in the fifth season of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Ahsoka continued to work with Jedi all the way past the events of the original trilogy. The line, "I am no Jedi," in Star Wars Rebels, left fans convinced that she had left the Jedi path behind. But to the confusion of many, in-universe characters and real-life marketing materials (including the trailer for the Ahsoka series) have recently begun referring to Ahsoka as a Jedi once again.

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Dave Filoni, the creator of Ahsoka, intentionally titled the episode of her live-action debut, "The Jedi." Chapter 13 of The Mandalorian featured both Bo-Katan Kryze and Din Djarin referring to her as a Jedi, with Ahsoka accepting the title rather than rejecting it. She was later present for the construction of Luke Skywalker's Jedi Temple, telling Djarin that it would one day be "a great school." Here's why Ahsoka has reclaimed the title of Jedi.

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The "Mortis" arc in Star Wars: The Clone Wars presented a family of three powerful beings that each represented different aspects of the Force. While the Son embodied the dark side, the Daughter embodied the light, and the Father ensured that there was balance between them. Ahsoka, along with Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi, were transported to Mortis to meet the three Force wielders, and during their time there, she died. The Daughter's life force was transferred to Ahsoka, and after she was brought back to life, she returned to the physical realm with the Daughter's life essence. A convor owl representing the Daughter followed Ahsoka around even after the Daughter's death. In Star Wars Rebels, the owl was present in the World Between Worlds and pointed Ezra Bridger towards a portal showing Ahsoka's duel with Darth Vader. Ezra was then able to save her life by pulling her through the portal. Although easy to miss, the owl was spotted in Ahsoka's Mandalorian episode.

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It's important to note that Ahsoka did not leave the Order because she didn't want to be a Jedi. She left because she knew in her heart that there were dark forces at play, weakening the Jedi's connection with the Force, and thus, preventing them from being proper Jedi. At 22:43 in the "Legacy" episode of Disney Gallery: The Mandalorian, Dave Filoni described the Jedi Order as being "so detached" and "so political that they've really lost their way."

In an interview with Vanity Fair (via Gizmodo), Filoni pointed out that Ahsoka represents what a Jedi is supposed to be: "[Fans] all focus very hard on the line, “I am no Jedi,” from Star Wars: Rebels, but it’s undeniable that she’s trained by the Jedi. I think to most observers she is very Jedi to them. I would argue in some ways—by being so selfless and rejecting a lot of paths that would have given her power—she’s more Jedi-like than even some characters who claim to be Jedi."

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The Jedi have never been perfect, but a key takeaway of Star Wars has always been to learn from the past. Ahsoka has exemplified the spirit of a true Jedi, and has finally reclaimed the title after spending time as a Force-sensitive outcast.

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She was never achieved the rank of Jedi Knight, she left the order before she could be promoted beyond padawan.

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She passed the trials with her literal trial for the bombing. The council were going to promote her to Knight when she rejoined the order, but she refused the offer. In my mind, she earned it but didn’t do the paperwork.

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She passed the trials with her literal trial for the bombing. The council were going to promote her to Knight when she rejoined the order, but she refused the offer. In my mind, she earned it but didn’t do the paperwork.

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Ok, maybe that makes sense. It does not really mean anything for the story.