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re: Spielberg, Lucas predict "implosion" of film industry
Posted on 6/13/13 at 11:37 am to boom roasted
Posted on 6/13/13 at 11:37 am to boom roasted
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fricking this. Dropping $200+ million on CGI does not make a movie great. Use that money on developing the fricking script.
The problem with this common sense thinking is that people do what they're good at and the movie industry has become much better at producing CGI laden 'splosion fests than well written and executed stories. The international marketing of films also plays a big role as action translates a lot more profitably than dialogue.
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Posted on 6/13/13 at 11:44 am to Freauxzen
First off, it was Spielberg and Lucas who killed the old model. So for them to complain about the blockbuster system makes me angry enough to spit blood.
Secondly, Hollywood sold 1.25 billion tickets last year, which is pretty consistent over the past 20 years. Revenues have gone up because tickets cost more, but the actual number of ticket sales are pretty much the same. The idea that the industry is dying is a lie, perpetrated by those who cook the books and need to write off losses.
Finally, I don't believe for one second Spielberg couldn't get his movie made, and almost had to go to TV. Now, maybe he couldn't get total autonomy, but the careers of guys like the Coen brothers show you can make modest hit after modest hit if you keep costs go down in production. The problem is that studios are paying way too much to make movies that can't justify the cost. Hey, spend $250 million to make the Avengers. That makes sense. But quality filmmakers can make movies for $10-15 million and make $30 at the box office. Linklater just completed his Before Sunset trilogy, and the last movie only grossed $6 million. The idea that good films can't get made is a lie.
Last year was a very good year. There were no transcendent films, but lots of good ones. And with the rise of movie grills, there is still a viable distribution model for films, especially ones that cater to adults.
Secondly, Hollywood sold 1.25 billion tickets last year, which is pretty consistent over the past 20 years. Revenues have gone up because tickets cost more, but the actual number of ticket sales are pretty much the same. The idea that the industry is dying is a lie, perpetrated by those who cook the books and need to write off losses.
Finally, I don't believe for one second Spielberg couldn't get his movie made, and almost had to go to TV. Now, maybe he couldn't get total autonomy, but the careers of guys like the Coen brothers show you can make modest hit after modest hit if you keep costs go down in production. The problem is that studios are paying way too much to make movies that can't justify the cost. Hey, spend $250 million to make the Avengers. That makes sense. But quality filmmakers can make movies for $10-15 million and make $30 at the box office. Linklater just completed his Before Sunset trilogy, and the last movie only grossed $6 million. The idea that good films can't get made is a lie.
Last year was a very good year. There were no transcendent films, but lots of good ones. And with the rise of movie grills, there is still a viable distribution model for films, especially ones that cater to adults.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 11:51 am to Augustus
so the 2 guys who basically invented the blockbuster are now lamenting blockbusters? 
Posted on 6/13/13 at 11:54 am to Baloo
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First off, it was Spielberg and Lucas who killed the old model.
frick i was 7minutes too late
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So for them to complain about the blockbuster system makes me angry enough to spit blood.
i just laugh
let's also not forget how both love to re-release their old movies and have CHANGED THEM in re-release
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, I don't believe for one second Spielberg couldn't get his movie made,
yeah...a historical biopic directed by spielberg?
Posted on 6/13/13 at 11:56 am to Pilot Tiger
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when adam sandler needs a 100mm budget for one of his crappy comedies, you know the industry is doomed
well
a. his production company foots the bill or a large portion thereof
b. he pays big salaries to his friends. sharing the wealth and all that
Posted on 6/13/13 at 11:58 am to Baloo
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First off, it was Spielberg and Lucas who killed the old model. So for them to complain about the blockbuster system makes me angry enough to spit blood.
Secondly, Hollywood sold 1.25 billion tickets last year, which is pretty consistent over the past 20 years. Revenues have gone up because tickets cost more, but the actual number of ticket sales are pretty much the same. The idea that the industry is dying is a lie, perpetrated by those who cook the books and need to write off losses.
Finally, I don't believe for one second Spielberg couldn't get his movie made, and almost had to go to TV. Now, maybe he couldn't get total autonomy, but the careers of guys like the Coen brothers show you can make modest hit after modest hit if you keep costs go down in production. The problem is that studios are paying way too much to make movies that can't justify the cost. Hey, spend $250 million to make the Avengers. That makes sense. But quality filmmakers can make movies for $10-15 million and make $30 at the box office. Linklater just completed his Before Sunset trilogy, and the last movie only grossed $6 million. The idea that good films can't get made is a lie.
Last year was a very good year. There were no transcendent films, but lots of good ones. And with the rise of movie grills, there is still a viable distribution model for films, especially ones that cater to adults.
If only Wes Anderson had given comments in the OP...
This post was edited on 6/13/13 at 11:59 am
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:00 pm to Freauxzen
wes anderson is much closer to the cohens than the spielbergs/lucases of the world
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Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:03 pm to Augustus
Better get my screenplay picked up before this implosion
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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wes anderson is much closer to the cohens than the spielbergs/lucases of the world
Oh completely, just saying, if Baloo can eviscerate someone we know he respects like Spielberg, think of the fireworks had Wes Anderson said something so hypocritical.
4th of July, early.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:10 pm to Augustus
maybe Hollywood shouldn't greenlight stuff like battleship and jack the giant slayer
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:10 pm to Augustus
After they f*cked up the "hardest-to-f*ck-up-franchises-EVER-EVER" Indiana Jones and Star Wars, of course they would predict something like this (and their $hit still makes money).
There are great filmmakers out there - Coens, Whedon, Nolan - they're just not named Spielberg and Lucas anymore.
There are great filmmakers out there - Coens, Whedon, Nolan - they're just not named Spielberg and Lucas anymore.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:11 pm to Freauxzen
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Maybe if Hollywood didn't cook the books so that middle of the road films were a failure we might not have this problem.
Spielberg and Lucas seem to want to blame fans, passive aggressively of course, when this is all on Hollywood.
yep.
Hollywood accounting lies need to be exposed and dealt with by the market
But even beyond that, the whole industry is ripe for disruption.
There's going to be an intense amount of change in the film industry.
I predict an explosion of true independent film making, funded via crowd sourcing to come in the near future.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:11 pm to Freauxzen
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Oh completely, just saying, if Baloo can eviscerate someone we know he respects like Spielberg, think of the fireworks had Wes Anderson said something so hypocritical.
yeah but but but
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4th of July, early.
i'd rather see the fireworks of him defending wes anderson's style in light of tehse comments
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:15 pm to Freauxzen
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Maybe if Hollywood didn't cook the books so that middle of the road films were a failure we might not have this problem.
Mother fricking this. And it's something that almost never gets talked about. It's one of the biggest rackets in the world. When you have movies grossing a BILLION fricking dollars and production companies claiming financial losses, that's a problem. So often they lie and cook the books so much in order to keep as much money in their pockets a possible. At best, it's shady as frick. At worst, it's straight up illegal. Hollywood has pulled the wool over the world forever, and until that changes, these "implosions" will happen. Instead of jacking up "production costs" or lying about other costs, have some accountability in the system somewhere or this type of shite will never go away. It's laughable.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah, I have no problem with someone like Sandler and what he does. For one, he can afford to do it (via his company for example). Two, his movies always gross a fricking TON. So even if he is making shitty movies, they're making money and its successful from a business standpoint.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:21 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Exactly this.
Spielberg and Lucas seem to want to blame fans, passive aggressively of course, when this is all on Hollywood.
ETA: Also this:
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Maybe the studios could try not spending $250 million on a piece of shite
This post was edited on 6/13/13 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:22 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:I'm pretty sure he doesn't finance his own movies though, which is part of how messed up it is.
Yeah, I have no problem with someone like Sandler and what he does. For one, he can afford to do it (via his company for example).
This post was edited on 6/13/13 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:24 pm to Baloo
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:39 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Whedon is not in that class IMO.
There are great filmmakers out there - Coens, Whedon, Nolan
I would add PT Anderson (my personal favorite), Fincher, Scorsese, and Tarantino, off the top of my head.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:55 pm to Patrick_Bateman
I think Fincher is my favorite, just everything he touches is great
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