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re: Rian “Star Wars Ruiner” Johnson Responds To Audience Critics, Explains His Philosophy
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:20 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:20 pm to theunknownknight
Oh frick! I'm sick of the Death star!
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:21 pm to Othello
I just got out if this movie and it had so much potential.
Pro:
Rey and Kylo’s Interactions were great. Their plot was really well done.
Con:
The fricking jokes. My god. Why does every scene need a joke? It ruined so many great scenes. Because of them, by the time you get to the supposedly high tension showdown with Kylo and Luke, there is no tension.
Hell, Rian Johnson said he knew the movie would be dark and wanted to add humor, but he put so much humor in it that it removed all tension and it wasn’t dark at all.
Rose...worthless absolutely awful character.
Holdo’s plan was retarded. She killed everyone, not Poe.
The movie had so much potential and some actually good scenes buried beneath crap.
The “diversity” stuff people keep bringing up can be completely ignored.
And Mary Poppins Organa was just awful.
Pro:
Rey and Kylo’s Interactions were great. Their plot was really well done.
Con:
The fricking jokes. My god. Why does every scene need a joke? It ruined so many great scenes. Because of them, by the time you get to the supposedly high tension showdown with Kylo and Luke, there is no tension.
Hell, Rian Johnson said he knew the movie would be dark and wanted to add humor, but he put so much humor in it that it removed all tension and it wasn’t dark at all.
Rose...worthless absolutely awful character.
Holdo’s plan was retarded. She killed everyone, not Poe.
The movie had so much potential and some actually good scenes buried beneath crap.
The “diversity” stuff people keep bringing up can be completely ignored.
And Mary Poppins Organa was just awful.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:26 pm to Scruffy
I'm not in a hurry to see it. Typically I'm excited about Star Wars but there are too many new movies and it's watering it down. The originals were each 3 years apart.
I was much more excited about Blade Runner 2049, because it's the first sequel and was like 30 years after the first.
I was much more excited about Blade Runner 2049, because it's the first sequel and was like 30 years after the first.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:27 pm to Scruffy
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Scruffy
Scruffy, validate me here: They took elements from Avatar but failed to rip it off. I wish they did. Like they designed a crystal catacomb for Chewie and Rey to fly through just for 15 seconds identically to the last movie? I'm willing to bet the artists had something else in mind designing it.
That had to be a set where Kylo and Rey were going to fight in originally. Everything between them worked, and double down where Kylo and Rey worked, but Kylo didn't defeat Rey ever, so who gives a shite at this point? You can make him the Zuko character, fine, but he has to be somewhat threatening.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:29 pm to Methuselah
quote:
My memory of the board's take when the movie came out is:
Immediately after TFA came out, the overall feeling on the board was that it was moderately good if somewhat a rehash of A New Hope.
Then a few posters started saying that the movie wasn't any good at all and that the positive views were just posters trying to convince themselves because it had been so long since a SW movie came out. They pointed to the some original positive reactions to the prequels as support.
Then over time, you just saw more and more of that take and less and less of positive views. It may just have been that the negative posters were more persistent. I don't know.
I could be wrong too, but I think this has to be it. Even around here, it seems more people like it than dislike it. And I don't know anyone IRL that thought it was a bad film
or ended up thinking that recently.Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:29 pm to Scruffy
There was a good movie buried deep inside this one. Believe it or not, Benecio Del Toro kind of lit the path for a truly darker and "different" Star Wars movie.
The problem is that Rian chose to "reconstruct Star Wars" by arbitrarily have characters go totally against their previously established type instead of seriously making the effort to move the narrative in a different direction.
The problem is that Rian chose to "reconstruct Star Wars" by arbitrarily have characters go totally against their previously established type instead of seriously making the effort to move the narrative in a different direction.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:30 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
As soon as THAT happened my script would have been:
Luke: (stunned) are you SHITTING me? Where was that when I was getting fried by Palpatine you piece of shite?! Were you too busy licking force taints when my students were slaughtered and temples burned down ASSHAT?!
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:31 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:
The problem is that Rian chose to "reconstruct Star Wars" by arbitrarily have characters go totally against their previously established type instead of seriously making the effort to move the narrative in a different direction.
Rian didn't give a single shite about anything that had been given to him. He gave so little of a frick that he just made 3POs arm gold again... despite having no time to make it for him... like really? You very aggressively tell the fanbase that everything you knew was a lie.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:45 pm to Othello
Reading through the discussion of Luke...
The very fact he made a map of where he was hiding seems to negate his entire purpose for hiding, does it not? After all, if Luke was depressed, shut himself off from the force and just waited to die alone, constructing an elaborate map for someone to find seems odd.
Luke literally broke character from TFA to TLJ, let alone the original trilogy
The very fact he made a map of where he was hiding seems to negate his entire purpose for hiding, does it not? After all, if Luke was depressed, shut himself off from the force and just waited to die alone, constructing an elaborate map for someone to find seems odd.
Luke literally broke character from TFA to TLJ, let alone the original trilogy
Posted on 12/20/17 at 6:26 am to OMLandshark
quote:I see what you are referring to, but they failed enough at it that I didn’t even notice in the movie.
They took elements from Avatar but failed to rip it off.
quote:Not a single enemy is menacing. Snoke was the only menacing character but, well, he was neutered and is now dead. Hux is a bumbling man child moron. He belongs in a Marvel movie like GotG or Thor: Ragnarok. He felt like a Three Stooges character.
Everything between them worked, and double down where Kylo and Rey worked, but Kylo didn't defeat Rey ever, so who gives a shite at this point? You can make him the Zuko character, fine, but he has to be somewhat threatening.
Kylo is improved, but he is still the moody, emo kid. There is no one left.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 7:42 am to Scruffy
quote:
Snoke was the only menacing character but, well, he was neutered and is now dead.
STEP 1: set up mysterious unbeatable evil bad gay
STEP 2: Kill him with trick learned in Jedi Kindergarten
Posted on 12/20/17 at 8:55 am to Freauxzen
I feel it’s a bit of poetic justice that someone fricked up JJ’s beloved Star Wars the way he fricked up my beloved Star Trek.
...except I also love Star Wars so I get double-fricked.
...except I also love Star Wars so I get double-fricked.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 10:48 am to The Quiet One
quote:
The very fact he made a map of where he was hiding seems to negate his entire purpose for hiding, does it not? After all, if Luke was depressed, shut himself off from the force and just waited to die alone, constructing an elaborate map for someone to find seems odd.
Pretty sure it never mentioned in the force Awakens luke created the map, just that it is a map to where he is.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 2:26 pm to Rhames
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Pretty sure it never mentioned in the force Awakens luke created the map, just that it is a map to where he is.
But they did say R2 went into shutdown mode as soon as Luke left. Who else could have known where Luke was going, and put in that piece of map before R2 went into hibernation? Other than Luke?
Posted on 12/20/17 at 2:30 pm to RobbBobb
What the frick is R2s problem btw?
Even when he gets back to Luke he just stays in the ship.
Even when he gets back to Luke he just stays in the ship.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 2:31 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
But they did say R2 went into shutdown mode as soon as Luke left. Who else could have known where Luke was going, and put in that piece of map before R2 went into hibernation? Other than Luke?
But that wasn't the full piece to the puzzle though.
R2 knew part of the map from the archives he was able to hack when he was plugged into the death star. That's pretty likely the way luke found the planet to begin with.
Luke didn't create a map.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 2:37 pm to Mystery
quote:Did you not get the overarching theme of just destroying everything from the past?
What the frick is R2s problem btw?
Even when he gets back to Luke he just stays in the ship.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 2:38 pm to Rhames
They just knew luke went to the first jedi temple. Luke did not make that map.
The old guy from force awakens was a historian of the jedi order. He had the map to the temple.
That is what they were after. When they got it they learned it was not complete.
The old guy from force awakens was a historian of the jedi order. He had the map to the temple.
That is what they were after. When they got it they learned it was not complete.
This post was edited on 12/20/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 12/20/17 at 2:38 pm to Mystery
quote:
What the frick is R2s problem btw?
Even when he gets back to Luke he just stays in the ship.
Everybody already owns R2 toys, gotta pump those BB-8 toys baw.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 2:38 pm to The Quiet One
quote:
The very fact he made a map of where he was hiding seems to negate his entire purpose for hiding, does it not? After all, if Luke was depressed, shut himself off from the force and just waited to die alone, constructing an elaborate map for someone to find seems odd.
Luke literally broke character from TFA to TLJ, let alone the original trilogy
Well said. I've never been so pissed at a director. I'll irrationally never see another Rian Johnson film because of how mad I am at him destroying Luke Skywalker.
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