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re: Rian “Star Wars Ruiner” Johnson Responds To Audience Critics, Explains His Philosophy
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:28 pm to DelU249
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:28 pm to DelU249
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Is that how Luke died, I thought he just decided to die
I’ve gone back and forth on it and it’s the only one that makes sense to me. If he was able to just decide to die then he would have long ago since he’s suddenly the most hopeless person in the universe. At the very least the projection contributed greatly to his death.
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:30 pm to DelU249
I didn’t mind Yoda. Wished he would have been a little more serious like he was after Luke discovered who he was in Empire, but other than that I liked it. Puppet Yoda is way better than prequel Yoda.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:32 pm to Freauxzen
They could have made the reveal that Snoke was the one putting the vibes in Luke's head about Ben and that would have had the twin effects of "exonerating" Luke AND showing how powerful Snoke was that he could just do that to a Jedi Master. That and having Rey lose to Ren in combat would have raised the stakes for Episode IX where Rey and Ren fight with sabers for the tiebreaker and Luke fights Snoke with Force abilities.
But they decided to just make Luke a chickenshit a-hole, Snoke a complete moron and Rey unbeatable, instead.
But they decided to just make Luke a chickenshit a-hole, Snoke a complete moron and Rey unbeatable, instead.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:35 pm to Walking the Earth
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They could have made the reveal that Snoke was the one putting the vibes in Luke's head about Ben and that would have had the twin effects of "exonerating" Luke AND showing how powerful Snoke was that he could just do that to a Jedi Master.
...That would have been a great twist. Like have Luke show up to the Throne Room as he's in the process of torturing both Kylo Ren and Rey after they take out his guard. And then that's where the reveal could be.
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That and having Rey lose to Ren in combat would have raised the stakes for Episode IX where Rey and Ren fight with sabers for the tiebreaker and Luke fights Snoke with Force abilities.
I was almost certain this was going to happen walking into the theater. What a bitter disappointment, especially since Rey does nothing active in the finale.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:37 pm to AA7
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I didn’t mind Yoda. Wished he would have been a little more serious like he was after Luke discovered who he was in Empire, but other than that I liked it. Puppet Yoda is way better than prequel Yoda.
The Yoda scene was fine outside of the lightning honestly.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:37 pm to Walking the Earth
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They could have made the reveal that Snoke was the one putting the vibes in Luke's head about Ben and that would have had the twin effects of "exonerating" Luke AND showing how powerful Snoke was that he could just do that to a Jedi Master. That and having Rey lose to Ren in combat would have raised the stakes for Episode IX where Rey and Ren fight with sabers for the tiebreaker and Luke fights Snoke with Force abilities.
All better ideas than what we saw.
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But they decided to just make Luke a chickenshit a-hole, Snoke a complete moron and Rey unbeatable, instead.
Yup
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:38 pm to Freauxzen
This thread is filled with great observations and better ideas for story than what we saw.
The Kylo / Luke relationship seemed to employ circular reasoning:
Luke sensed Kylo becoming bad, so he had to finish him; Kyle became really bad because Luke tried to finish him.
We got no development of character. He could have resented Han for becoming a smuggler again and his mother for being an absent rebel. So many opportunities.
The Kylo / Luke relationship seemed to employ circular reasoning:
Luke sensed Kylo becoming bad, so he had to finish him; Kyle became really bad because Luke tried to finish him.
We got no development of character. He could have resented Han for becoming a smuggler again and his mother for being an absent rebel. So many opportunities.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:55 pm to Ash Williams
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no way they could do that unless they also had their memories wiped
Unless she too was training at the academy? And was assumed to be killed? Her drunk parents were just scavengers that found her amongst the rubble, and then sold her off for profit. And knowing her background, assured her that one day someone would come for her. And like Anakin and his twins, no one can sense her in the force. Because they aren't expecting to find her
Would explain Han and Leias split. And Lukes inability to cope.
Leia only realizes the truth as she lays dying, and sends her to save her brother. Ben goes nuts when he finds out who she really is. Rey is severely wounded by Kylo. And Kylo stands over her to strike the final blow, Vader appears to walk through the door, taking Kylo by surprise. As he gets closer, he reveals himself to be Luke. He and Kylo engage in the ultimate light saber duel, while Rey recovers enough to destroy her brother. Thus Luke had known all along that it would be Bens fate
Which brings balance to the force
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:03 pm to LuckyTiger
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This guy sure has his finger up his arse.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:30 pm to Breesus
One thing this movie seems to have done is to elevate the opinion of The Force Awakens and Abrams. That movie had fallen pretty much out of favor with the board but I see people now looking at that as a good movie which this one ruined.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:32 pm to Methuselah
I see TFA as worse now that i realize what has become of the characters they introduced. Obviously they didn't think the characters through.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:34 pm to Methuselah
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One thing this movie seems to have done is to elevate the opinion of The Force Awakens and Abrams. That movie had fallen pretty much out of favor with the board but I see people now looking at that as a good movie which this one ruined.
Comparatively, TFA is ESB compared to TLJ.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:34 pm to Methuselah
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One thing this movie seems to have done is to elevate the opinion of The Force Awakens and Abrams. That movie had fallen pretty much out of favor with the board but I see people now looking at that as a good movie which this one ruined.
TFA was flawed for sure, but the pieces it put into play were worth it. It was also a competently made film, if not a little too safe. But still very good.
People have said that other people dislike it, but I just haven't seen that
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:38 pm to Freauxzen
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That movie had fallen pretty much out of favor with the board
Not with me. I've defended it since the day it came out. I love it. And I continue to watch it. It gets better after every rewatch.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:45 pm to Freauxzen
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The Yoda scene was fine outside of the lightning honestly.
As soon as THAT happened my script would have been:
Luke: (stunned) are you SHITTING me? Where was that when I was getting fried by Palpatine you piece of shite?! Were you too busy licking force taints when my students were slaughtered and temples burned down ASSHAT?!
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:46 pm to Breesus
I just can't believe Rey had no part in the finale. There's no way they designed that Red Crystal area only for the exact same thing to happen in Episode VII when Rey and Finn were going through Star Destroyer in the last movie. Like didn't anyone else think "We've seen the exact same fricking thing in the last movie with TIE Fighters stupidly following them into an enclosed area"? At least in Return of the Jedi they had a damn good reason to follow them, but in TFA and TLJ, no they don't. Just back off, get high up and wait for them to emerge if they do at all. There should be a high likelihood that they run into a wall.
That place had to be designed for something more meaningful, but Johnson just said "frick it" in the name of garbage.
That place had to be designed for something more meaningful, but Johnson just said "frick it" in the name of garbage.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:02 pm to Freauxzen
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People have said that other people dislike it, but I just haven't seen that
My memory of the board's take when the movie came out is:
Immediately after TFA came out, the overall feeling on the board was that it was moderately good if somewhat a rehash of A New Hope.
Then a few posters started saying that the movie wasn't any good at all and that the positive views were just posters trying to convince themselves because it had been so long since a SW movie came out. They pointed to the some original positive reactions to the prequels as support.
Then over time, you just saw more and more of that take and less and less of positive views. It may just have been that the negative posters were more persistent. I don't know.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:04 pm to LuckyTiger
Just went and saw it - they did some really cool and interesting things with Rey snoke ren and Luke I thought. Too long and my one liners and over the top stuff but not nearly as bad as many made it out to be.
Overall some good and some bad, but I felt like the good outweighed the bad - at least for me - as I the good felt new and interesting and I don't find it hard to get past the one liners and over the top shite (like the force pull back into the space ship and the casino trip)
Overall some good and some bad, but I felt like the good outweighed the bad - at least for me - as I the good felt new and interesting and I don't find it hard to get past the one liners and over the top shite (like the force pull back into the space ship and the casino trip)
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:11 pm to LuckyTiger
People are infested with nostalgia. They can't get enough of it. It's why Stranger Things is so popular. But he's exactly right, Abrams got lambasted for 'just making A New Hope with better technology.' That movie got shite on bad. Now all the sudden, it's one of the goat films of all time in every Star Wars fan's opinion.
I haven't seen it yet, but at least it didn't have the fricking Death Star again and at least he tried to do something more original and he knew he'd get shite on either way.
If you want to see the old movies, watch the old movies. ~ paraphrase of John Lennon
I haven't seen it yet, but at least it didn't have the fricking Death Star again and at least he tried to do something more original and he knew he'd get shite on either way.
If you want to see the old movies, watch the old movies. ~ paraphrase of John Lennon
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:19 pm to Othello
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it didn't have the fricking Death Star again
...actually...it did
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