re: Rian Johnson Is ‘Even More Proud’ of TLJ Five Years On

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Star Wars is and always has been garbage.

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Star Trek was always better.

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It's the worst star wars property of all time and it's not even close. If anyone could be tried for making a bad film it would be Rian Johnson and his interpretation of what a good Star Wars movie is.

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TLJ not only lacked basic plot elements, but it took every open ended plot point from TFA and addressed it in the most disappointing way immaginable.

"Who is Rey?"
She is nobody

"Who is Snoke? He must be some badass."
Nope. Just some dude... and he's dead.

"Will Luke kick some arse?"
Nope he'll do nothing then die because he got tired.


I get not wanting to do too much fan service, but to just deliberately go out to try and stick it to people who have supported the property for 40 years was wrong.

I was heartbroken walking out of the movie when my son looked at me and said, "Dad, I don't think I like Star
wars anymore." And really he has not given two shits about it since. Rian took something my son and I enjoyed together away. frick that guy.

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"Will Luke kick some arse?"
Nope he'll do nothing then die because he got tired.

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I mean, that's a bit disingenuous.

He trained Rey and then sacrificed himself so the rebellion could escape the mountain.

Do I think it was kinda stupid that he died because he was tired? Of course. But it's not like Luke was useless (or ruined) and did nothing, like you claim.

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“I’m even more proud of it five years on,” he says. “When I was up at bat, I really swung at the ball.”

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And struck out so very badly.

People were really expecting this to be a redemption story from the the 1-3 trilogy. We should have known we'd get nothing but a pathetic lead villain, a pathetic former lead protagonist, a female protagonist lead since every movie has to have one now, other various themes of women empowerment and male shaming, and SJW causes sprinkled in everywhere.

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He never actually left the island.

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and he forced projected himself as a decoy to have a few dozen people escape.

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I know. But that doesn’t refute anything I said.

And the point was that little group were some of the last bit remaining of them, and arguably had the most important people in it. It’s not like he saved a few random people for frick’s sake.

I think that my issues with it aren't the same as a lot of other people's issues. I don't feel like Luke was done wrong with his conclusion. My issue with the movie as a singular movie is that the timeline of events doesn't make sense. Trying to squeeze all these events of a movie while a giant chase is ongoing the entire time from a timeline and pacing standpoint doesn't work or really make sense.

The other bigger issue is like you said it's useless. None of the events or major plot points fit with what came before and everything was thrown out with the movie that came after. But I blame this more on Disney not having a plan and just pushing out movies for the sake of revenue with not enough thought to the quality of the product.

Rian Johnson had some interesting ideas in his one movie that could have worked if he had been given a whole trilogy to work with, and the rest of the series and Disney weren't actively working against him. Either Johnson or Abrams being given the whole trilogy would have been better than the incoherent bullshite we wound up with.

Hasn’t he done enough damage already!

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It cannot be understated how badly he fricked up Luke Skywalker. Ever.

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Think what you want about this movie. Don't care. I will never, ever, understand the large group of people that continue to pretend that Luke was even a little bit interesting as a character for even one single second of the original trilogy. He always sucked.

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Rian Johnson had some interesting ideas in his one movie that could have worked if he had been given a whole trilogy to work with, and the rest of the series and Disney weren't actively working against him. Either Johnson or Abrams being given the whole trilogy would have been better than the incoherent bull shite we wound up with.

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You get absolutely no credit when you screw it up as badly as RJ deliberately did. Given the setup he received from JJ he made every attempt possible to destroy the values and characters that had been valuable for more than 35 years before he killed them.

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It didn't destroy any values or characters from the previous 35 years

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That's untrue.

Luke's character was obviously destroyed. We went from a person who developed from an immature and impatient boy into a man who was willing to sacrifice his life for the opportunity to save his father.

Then, without anything approximating character development (turning to the dark side) or exposition we find out he attempted and failed to kill his blood relative (son of his twin sister) in his sleep.

This is the equivalent of making Captain America a member of Hydra or Captain Ahab afraid of water. And this was done without any goddamn explanation of why or how strengths and virtues which were painfully earned became weaknesses.