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re: Rewatching Season 1 of GoT...Caitlyn Stark observation
Posted on 5/22/14 at 11:37 am to Mr. Wayne
Posted on 5/22/14 at 11:37 am to Mr. Wayne
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Cersei is very calculated...I dont think she acts impulsively
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Oh my sweet Summer child.
I thought the same thing when I read this....
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Posted on 5/22/14 at 11:45 am to OMLandshark
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Littlefinger
I have been trying to figure out who this was for the longest time
I've always referred to him as lord Baelish or Carcetti.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 11:50 am to PortCityTiger24
I just googled who Jon Snow's mom is....the theories
WA WA WEE WA!!!
ETA: Makes me feel confident in my opinion Snow is one of the three most important characters
WA WA WEE WA!!!
ETA: Makes me feel confident in my opinion Snow is one of the three most important characters
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 11:51 am
Posted on 5/22/14 at 11:50 am to OMLandshark
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Cersei always glosses over major details that seem unimportant to her, but are none-the-less essential. She just got really lucky that Robert was brutally mauled by a boar, that Sansa ratted her father out, and that Littlefinger betrayed him. If those things didn't happen, Cersei's head would be on a spike on the walls of King's Landing. She hasn't made a calculated decision since then.
None of this makes her any less calculating in my eyes, it just makes her stupid. She is trying to play the game but she plays it poorly because "she does gloss over the details". And she has most certainly gotten lucky a lot, but I'm not sure I would lump Robert getting mauled as one of those instances. She sent the Lannister boy out there to funnel him wine and get him drunk in hopes that would happen and it did.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 12:07 pm to Warfarer
A calculating person would not have dismissed Barristan Selmy, made Janos Slynt The Lord of Harrenhall, or made the Mountain her champion. It takes 2 seconds of thought on why dismissing Selmy was a horrible decision, Slynt could do nothing with or bring anything to the table by having Harrenhall, and when the one guy who could not only start a war, has a vendetta against the Mountain, and very feasibly take him down being in the city during the trial was an awful idea.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 12:18 pm to OMLandshark
one can be calculating...and make terrible calculations.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 12:19 pm to rondo
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I just googled who Jon Snow's mom is....the theories
I'm hordor but my book reading friend told me that one. I would fap
Posted on 5/22/14 at 12:19 pm to PortCityTiger24
AKA Christian Bale Batman voice/Bane voice
Posted on 5/22/14 at 12:40 pm to wildtigercat93
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I'm hordor but my book reading friend told me that one. I would fap
Would be interesting
Posted on 5/22/14 at 12:57 pm to rondo
Yep, she's definitely a mixed bag as a character but overall negative. On the one hand she is obviously devoted to her family but her unfounded hate for Jon and emotional/illogical decisions definitely contribute to the demise of her family. Michelle Fairley does a fine job of defining the role IMHO.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:09 pm to wildtigercat93
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I'm hordor
That's even worse then a Hodor. Congrats.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:11 pm to Snatchy
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:15 pm to Billy Mays
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That's ridiculous.
She admitted to Robb's wife later on that she felt bad about treating Jon like shite. It's not completely ridiculous that a mother would dislike a child that wasn't her own and was fathered by her current husband via another woman. Especially considering how "honorable" Ned and Cat tried to be in their lives.
in the show she did this
she never made any mention of this in the books or even thought about it
not once did she feel guilty about how she treated jon snow
thats one of the things the show did to try to make her more likable so people would be upset when she died
it was a bull shite move
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:26 pm to Ash Williams
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in the show she did this she never made any mention of this in the books or even thought about it not once did she feel guilty about how she treated jon snow
In the book she admitted that when Jon was young he got sick, ran a high fever and likely would die. She prayed to the gods that if they let him live she would accept him into the family and allow him to be a Stark. She went back on her word, lied to the gods.
So the gods repaid the favor and took the rest of Ned's sons (Cat never found out that Bran & Rickon were alive) and let Jon live. Even in the 1st episode of the series-
When she went to see Ned under the tree she told him something along the lines of- all the years I've spent here and I still feel like an outsider. She had betrayed those gods and she knew it.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:27 pm to CockHolliday
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I don't know if you've read the books, and it's been a while since I have but I got the impression that Ned and Catelyn wed out of a sense of duty/responsibility after Brandon's death. She's loyal to Ned but I'm not quite sure she truly loved him, at least not like she did his brother
I have read the books and it is stated very clearly that Cat didn't even know Brandon well. She was infatuated with him but that's all.
She also said that her relationship with Ned started out as dutiful, but she grew to love him. Which is why seeing Jon everyday hurt her so much.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:28 pm to TigerintheNO
Mind=blown
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:31 pm to Ash Williams
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in the show she did this
she never made any mention of this in the books
Didn't read the books - I iz a Hodor
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:32 pm to TigerintheNO
i dont remember that
so that's stupid
im rereading right now though, so when i come across it, i'll edit this to say that i am stupid
until then sir...
so that's stupid
im rereading right now though, so when i come across it, i'll edit this to say that i am stupid
until then sir...
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:33 pm to lpd1975
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I have read the books and it is stated very clearly that Cat didn't even know Brandon well. She was infatuated with him but that's all.
She also said that her relationship with Ned started out as dutiful, but she grew to love him. Which is why seeing Jon everyday hurt her so much.
Like I said it's been a while since I read the first few books...maybe it was more that Ned felt an obligation of duty than did Catelyn. I just wish Catelyn didn't hate Jon so much, and I had forgotten that she regretted it or at least felt bad about it later.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 1:38 pm to rondo
I've read no books and am caught up on the show so that is all I can go by.
****spoilers****
That said, I think its nuts to blame Cat for starting the war when its clear (right now anyway) it was touched off by Littefinger convincing crazy arse Lysa into killing Jon Arryn and blaming it on the Lannisters.
*****end spoiler*****
I just don't see how Cat can be blamed when it seems like all of this was set in motion by Baelish's scheming.
****spoilers****
That said, I think its nuts to blame Cat for starting the war when its clear (right now anyway) it was touched off by Littefinger convincing crazy arse Lysa into killing Jon Arryn and blaming it on the Lannisters.
*****end spoiler*****
I just don't see how Cat can be blamed when it seems like all of this was set in motion by Baelish's scheming.
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