re: Opening of The Dark Knight is really good but....

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And yes, the final 25 minutes if the film are shite and go off the rails.

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What the hell are you all talking about? One of the better endings to a superhero movie. Batman takes the fall, movie ends with him as the bad guy, Gordon gets the great monologue, suspense for part 3 immediately built.....

Then Heath Ledger died and we got an 8 year gap between that scene and TDKR.

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Then Heath Ledger died and we got an 8 year gap between that scene and TDKR.

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I don’t care what anyone says, I still think they intended for the Joker to return in TDKR and to have a much bigger role than a cameo.

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Pretty much all the extras with speaking roles in TDK are way over the top. Dent's press conference is particularly funny

"THINGS ARE WORSE THAN EVER"
"NO MORE DEAD COPS"
"HE SHOULD TURN HIMSELF IN"

I think it's a Nolan problem

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I didn't mind that at all. Gave the movie a bit of a comic book feel. At least to me.

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It was by design. Those characters were speaking in platitudes because they represented the reactionary feelings of the public which Dent was trying to reason with in that moment.

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Well, your criticism was kind of silly. It’s like saying the scene in The Godfather where Michael kills the police officer and the Turk was almost ruined because Al Pacino doesn’t actually speak Italian.

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Go back and watch the start of the movie again. The acting by Joker's gang is terrible to the point that it's distracting.

I just don't see how saying horrible acting nearly ruined a good scene is a silly criticism.

It's funny that you bring up The Godfather when most people here will say Godfather 3 sucked as a movie mainly b/c of Sofia Coppola's terrible acting.

If a terrible actress can ruin an entire movie why can't it also be said that shitty acting nearly ruined an otherwise good scene?

I didn't say it was ruined, I said it was nearly ruined.

I've already said what it was. Their acting is so awful that it's distracting. It takes me right out of the movie from the jump. It recovers but the exposition by those guys as a quick intro to the Joker is terrible and extremely clunky. It's easily some of the worst ADR I've ever heard in a big budget movie.

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And yes, the final 25 minutes if the film are shite and go off the rails

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I completely disagree. The final confrontation between Batman and the Joker, the Joker's final monologue, the confrontation between Batman/Dent/Gordon, Batman taking the fall for Dent's crimes, and Gordon's final monologue are all freaking fantastic.

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Eh... It's nowhere as good as the first 90+ minutes.

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That's your subjective opinion. I happen to disagree.

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I think after Rachel gets blown up, that's kind of where the film should've ended the final scene is joker in the cop car driving off basking in his created chaos.

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1) That would have been a terrible idea considering hindsight.

2) The Dark Knight doesn't work if not for the final hour of the film. All of the questions and themes brought forth in the first 90 minutes are answered/concluded in the final 60 minutes.

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Disagree all you want but from the chase to the interrogation room scene are the real climax of the film.

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The real climax of the film is the confrontation between Batman, Two-Face, and Commissioner Gordon. That's where everything comes to a head and where Batman truly becomes the film's title character.

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I didn't say it was ruined, I said it was nearly ruined.

I've already said what it was. Their acting is so awful that it's distracting. It takes me right out of the movie from the jump. It recovers but the exposition by those guys as a quick intro to the Joker is terrible and extremely clunky. It's easily some of the worst ADR I've ever heard in a big budget movie.

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Just blame everything on Joker.

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Hard to do when you have the Joker in custody, Dent's dead body lying on the ground, and Gordon's family at the scene looking all scared and shaken. Obviously something had just gone down.

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Nolan established earlier in the film that having the Joker in custody is no gaurantee he can't control events.

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Nolan also established that the mob was aiding the Joker while he was behind bars. The whole idea behind the Joker's imprisonment was so that he could break out and steal Lau, the key to the mob's money, away with him.

After his escape, he had the Chechen and Lau killed. Maroni was murdered by Dent and Maroni's inside men (Wuertz and Ramirez) were either murdered or left incapacitated by Dent as well.

So how were Batman and Gordon supposed to blame everything on the Joker? All of his allies were either dead or in police custody. And how are they supposed to explain away the shocked and shaken members of Gordon's family being at the scene of Dent's death?