re: Official Joker SPOILERS/Discussion Thread

I agree. It was a great character. But it didn’t scream Batman’s arch nemesis.

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Soo does anyone know if he actually killed the chick that he was imagining he was with in her apt ?? I’m 50/50 on this. They didn’t leave other kills up for question though

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While watching it I thought he killed her as well bc of the sirens. However he apparently didn’t (you can google it). Joker only killed those that wronged him and she never wronged him. Supposedly there are other clues that may be more obvious on a second viewing. Someone mentioned the clocks all being similar. I didn’t notice that but that and other things are likely a visual aid to what’s really and not. Disclaimer: I just finished watching it About 8 hours ago and I’m still digesting it.

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It’s a shame that I feel disappointed. I had high hopes but yeah, just didn’t feel like the Joker to me. I know it’s supposed to be his origin but he was never particularly funny or smart. Just a damaged, abused man with mental illness and he killed a few people. There’s more to the Joker than that.

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this is exactly how I felt. Just somewhat disappointed even though JP did a fricking phenomenal job

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Did you make a wish?

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I'm in the minority. While I enjoyed the movie, that wasn't The Joker. That was a 2hr realistic drama on a criminally-violent insane patient.

You know, the same grimey unkempt psycho you see on the street talking to himself, and you move to the other side of the street to avoid him at all costs? Yeah, they made a movie about that guy.

Ledger's insane Joker was actually funny, mostly throughout, like the Joker should be. They only had to hint, once or twice, at his very dark & mysterious past which made him an equally terrifying villain.

As insane as Ledger's Joker was, he was a brilliant 4D chess mastermind anarchist that almost took down a city, its mob, its police force and its superhero. Joaquin's Joker can only half-the-time smuggle a gun, like a Mark David Chapman.

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I'll echo this assessment a bit further and say this.

I truly believe that If Phoenix were playing the Joker going up against the Batman, he wold likely be even more better than Ledger and that would really be Joker.

I say that because Joker and Batman are a symbiotic and toxic relationship that don't exist as well without each other. Good vs evil. Order vs Chaos. Yin vs Yang. Both Batman and Joker are not complete without each other. Sure they can do things without each other but they convey the most depth when they fight against the other.

Batman is Batman by nature of what he does and what he looks like but Joker is at his peak when he has Batman in the picture as a foil.

As amazing as Phoenix was in this movie, I have to look at the framework and nuts and bolts of this movie and I have to conclude the guy that he played was a great commentary on why we have mass crowd shooters and is a great example of what happens when mentally ill people get kicked down by society and people in their lives long enough to the point where they just fricking snap and lash out in the most violent way possible.

It's a hell of a movie and one I really recommend, especially if you're interested how mentally people become what they are.

This movie works and resonates because Batman Begins worked and resonated. You took the camp and cheese out of the superhero movies. Nolan asked, how can I make this realistic in our world?

Not all superhero movies need to be bright and colorful and bubblegum. Logan and Joker worked because they were bleak and raw. Deadpool worked because it parodied the innocence and sometimes naivety of those light and fluffy superhero movies.

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Outside the box thought here, David Letterman would have been great as Deniro's character.

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I really really want to believe that this was intentional.

Just saw it. Wow. What a great movie.
Phoenix nailed it. I was surprised that it took a while for him to actually become the Joker but I liked the development aspect.

The violence scenes were top notch.

There must be a sequel.

I just decided to go and watch the movie, I went in not reallu expecting much, but wow was I blown away. Originally I was not going to see this because the Suicide Squad portrayal of Joker made me no longer even care about the character Joker. But Im very glad I watched this.

The movie was simply very well done. Idk why, seeing as how this is a movie about the freaking JOKER. But some of those killings really caught me by surprise ( except the late night talk show host guy. I saw it coming). Hell with the first 2 guys who were beating him up, I was on his side. He possibly would have had a case for self defense. But when he followed the other guy to shoot him point blank, that turned from self defense to murder really fast.

There were some good twists in the movie. For a bit I was really loving the angle that Batman and the Joker are brothers. And tbh, I still think there's a possibility it could be true. Thomas Wayne strikes me as the type of guy who would bang any woman he want. And he had so much money he could make it disappear and anyone who knew disappear at all.

Idk how, but the girlfriend being fake shook the hell out of me. The whole time I'm mad that this malnourished looking ugly crazy looking man managed to bag fine as Zazie Beets. I explained it away in my mind as maybe she will become Harley Quin or some other super villain typle woman. But obviously I was wrong, I am pretty sure it was implied that she was killed, but I guess we don't know for sure.

My only possible issue is that Arthur/Joker is a bit of a dunce the entire time, so its kind of hard to see him become a genius intellect criminal mastermind kingpin. At the end of the movie he is just a mass murderer psychopath. My only guess is that Bruce still has atleast 10 years before he becomes Batman ( idk the age that Batman was technically born) so in that span of time of time for 10-15 years or whatever, Joker turns from being just a msss murdering crazy guy into DC's most notable villain.

All in all great movie. Nd I Know the voters don't care much for Comic Book movies(idk if this even counts as a comic book movie) but the guy who plays Joker deserves to atleast be nominated for an Oscar this year. He killed it, amazing movie.

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Still partial you Ledger’s portrayal, but this is either tied or a very close second. They’re 2 totally different types but I still love both.

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I’ll be honest, I never thought Ledger could be topped but I felt Phoenix was just in another galaxy from Ledger. He was just so good.