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Posted on 4/18/21 at 12:32 am to Make It Rayne
Super soldier serum helps them heal very fast.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 5:33 am to Esquire
I'd kinda like to see both Isiah Bradley and John Walker show up to (what I'm assuming will be) Sam's big fight against the Flagsmashers and Batroc.
I'm not sure how many Flagsmashers are left, but I think Sam (and probably Bucky) could use a couple of additional enhanced allies.
I'm not sure how many Flagsmashers are left, but I think Sam (and probably Bucky) could use a couple of additional enhanced allies.
This post was edited on 4/18/21 at 5:37 am
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:04 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Overcompensating for their lack of black representation where now there are talks about changing the races of Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and now Captain America.
You are decades behind on your outrage for some of these.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:12 am to Methuselah
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I'd kinda like to see both Isiah Bradley and John Walker show up to (what I'm assuming will be) Sam's big fight against the Flagsmashers and Batroc.
I'm not sure how many Flagsmashers are left, but I think Sam (and probably Bucky) could use a couple of additional enhanced allies
I can see this.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:17 am to bcoop199
The story just isn’t as tightly focused. The virus plot being removed sounds like Marvel’s excuse for poor pacing and writing.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 8:44 am to DMagic
I've been processing the racial component of EP5 and have been reading a lot of the opinions from this thread and the same discussion that spilled over to the politics thread where it really got contentious.
Here's my take. Good message but bad presentation,
I went back and looked at one of Deep Space Nine's Greatest episodes, "Far Beyond The Stars", as a comparison. That script was powerful and the acting of Avery Brooks might have been his best performance. Why? Because the story was introduced that way and was presented more than just a old man telling a story...We actually saw the mistreatment of Benny and how much pain the man was in. In F&WS, this bomb was dropped on us out of the blue that took us out of the main story to process without any context. Not even some flashbacks which would have helped.
They should have dedicate one full episode to really talk about this issue. Even in Civil War they showed the backstory to Bucky Killing Howard Stark and his wife which really help to elevate Tony's rage by having to witness the tragedy.
As I said, good message and bad presentation.
Here's my take. Good message but bad presentation,
I went back and looked at one of Deep Space Nine's Greatest episodes, "Far Beyond The Stars", as a comparison. That script was powerful and the acting of Avery Brooks might have been his best performance. Why? Because the story was introduced that way and was presented more than just a old man telling a story...We actually saw the mistreatment of Benny and how much pain the man was in. In F&WS, this bomb was dropped on us out of the blue that took us out of the main story to process without any context. Not even some flashbacks which would have helped.
They should have dedicate one full episode to really talk about this issue. Even in Civil War they showed the backstory to Bucky Killing Howard Stark and his wife which really help to elevate Tony's rage by having to witness the tragedy.
As I said, good message and bad presentation.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 9:27 am to Esquire
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You are decades behind on your outrage for some of these.
No, I’m clearly talking about Hollywood. And thanks for taking a snippet out of context. Really reached for that straw man, didn’t you?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 9:49 am to moneyg
A black man was President in the real world and yet we are currently having very serious discussions on race now. Obama being President didn't stop Isiah James from being treated the way he was, neither did being a vet with multiple tours. If you don't think blacks haven't had a rocky relationship with America, than you simply aren't looking at things from another person's perspective.
Is racism as bad as the left and media wants to portray? Absolutely not. But the right has gotten so overprotective of being called a racist that now they refuse to acknowledge it exist and dismiss the feelings of minorities.
Sam saved half the universe yet in the MCU can't get a loan to fix a boat (granted everyone here thinks that is stupid, but regardless), cops approached him in aggressive manner until Bucky pointed out who he was.
I still think Hydra is the one that signed off on the cruel treatment of Isiah Bradley but to be far Steve Rodgers was the first super soldier and they also did the same to him.
Is racism as bad as the left and media wants to portray? Absolutely not. But the right has gotten so overprotective of being called a racist that now they refuse to acknowledge it exist and dismiss the feelings of minorities.
Sam saved half the universe yet in the MCU can't get a loan to fix a boat (granted everyone here thinks that is stupid, but regardless), cops approached him in aggressive manner until Bucky pointed out who he was.
I still think Hydra is the one that signed off on the cruel treatment of Isiah Bradley but to be far Steve Rodgers was the first super soldier and they also did the same to him.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 9:56 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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No, I’m clearly talking about Hollywood. And thanks for taking a snippet out of context. Really reached for that straw man, didn’t you?
When the movies are based on comics, and the comics already have done so many alternate versions of these heroes that include a black and hispanic versions, I think you are the one grasping here.
With Chris Evans contract being up and wanting to take a break, and Anthony Mackie’s Falcon established as a hero in the movies, this was the common sense move. The only other alternative was Bucky.
Eventually they will do the alternate Supermen and Spidermen in live action too, its inevitable. They’ve done Clark Kent a lot, I can see them wanting to mix it up. They are on their 3rd Peter Parker in 20 years. Morales is a sensible next step.
This post was edited on 4/18/21 at 10:02 am
Posted on 4/18/21 at 10:07 am to hth52
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I think you are the one grasping here.
With Chris Evans contract being up and wanting to take a break, and Anthony Mackie’s Falcon established as a hero in the movies, this was the common sense move. The only other alternative was Bucky.
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I’ve liked the way they tied Sam being Captain America, and I like this show. I’ll enjoy him being Captain America because I’ve always liked his character.
My point was it seems Hollywood is overcompensating. This in a vacuum, was well done with Sam. And I understand and know they’ve done alternate versions of multiple heroes in the comics. I’m merely saying that it’s no coincidence with what is going on today politically why they are trying to shoehorn them all at once. I see what you and others are saying. I’m just trying to say that they could have done this all along and the timing of it is not coincidental.
This post was edited on 4/18/21 at 10:13 am
Posted on 4/18/21 at 10:11 am to ThoseGuys
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But the right has gotten so overprotective of being called a racist that now they refuse to acknowledge it exist and dismiss the feelings of minorities.
Nah, the US govt was horrible to certain people in the past (not just minorities), but the current solution being pushed is for the US govt (and everything else) to be racist against white people. Anything that furthers that cause should be exposed and opposed for the farce it is.
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Sam saved half the universe yet in the MCU can't get a loan to fix a boat (granted everyone here thinks that is stupid, but regardless)
I think it's nonsensical because the family clearly doesn't have an existing loan. It is never mentioned that the bank is going to come take any assets, they just say they can't afford to fix the boat, so they could easily get a line of credit or a loan using their assets as collateral. The boat isn't in great shape, but that and the sister's house could definitely get them a loan or a hefty home equity line of credit. This part of the show just doesn't make logical sense and seems meant to mislead people into believing a situation that doesn't happen. This is EXTREMELY dangerous, because this type of thinking (that minorities who can afford loans can't get loans) is what brought us the "fair housing" policies that brought about the housing crash and the recession in 2008 that the Democrats caused with their legislation but still today blame on Bush. This kind of thing should only fly with ignorant people who have never tried to get a loan, but there are a lot of those.
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cops approached him in aggressive manner until Bucky pointed out who he was.
He was being very animated and yelling at Bucky in the middle of the street. Cops will stop to check on such a situation 100% of the time. They would have approached Bucky just as aggressively if he was doing the same thing to Sam. That's not unusual. Also, one of the cops recognized him. They didn't have to be told by Bucky.
You chose two examples of how this show nonsensically virtue signaled.
This post was edited on 4/18/21 at 10:26 am
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:07 am to ThoseGuys
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A black man was President in the real world and yet we are currently having very serious discussions on race now.
Very poor example. Barack Obama and many in his administration, including Eric Holder, Susan Rice, Valerie Jarrett and his "wife" went out of their way to enflame racial issues and still do.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:21 am to CGSC Lobotomy
No idea what much of this discussion is about. Sam being Cap? He is the only obvious choice - a very, very good guy. That is what the original Cap was - solid to the core. They have simply established Sam as that in this show, while bestowing a bi-racial storyline, one that will having meaning for all races (for I’m not going to even pretend, like maybe I once did, as to how it is like to be black).
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:56 am to Bham4Tide
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for I’m not going to even pretend, like maybe I once did, as to how it is like to be black
The idea that you can't grasp the experiences of others unless you share their characteristics is just pure nonsense.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:56 am to Bham4Tide
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for I’m not going to even pretend, like maybe I once did, as to how it is like to be black).
You pretended to be black?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 12:24 pm to Bham4Tide
I think the concept of this show goes back to what we saw with Avengers-
we NEED Captain America right now, we need an old-fashioned "hero".
Marvel chose to overlay both racial issues (Isaiah and Sam's sister), and border issues (Flagsmashers).
They tossed Walker in, who was what villains CALLED Steve- "the soldier". Walker IS a good soldier, and as he said- he did what they trained him to do, he did what they asked him to do.
But as it's said, soldiers don't make for good cops; they are trained to kill and impose force.
Sam is processing ALL the negativity, and emphasizing with it- tried to talk sense into Karli, sat and listened to Isaiah's story.
And AFTER absorbing all of that, he then proceeds to-
go unite his hometown community to help his sister; work side-by-side with Bucky (the White Wolf), who reaffirms to him that people of all color etc are good; finally take up the shield.
I THINK Sam is going to come out of this and say "we're all people and we all have grievances, but we still have to work together, and some things just aren't acceptable no matter the reason behind it".
we NEED Captain America right now, we need an old-fashioned "hero".
Marvel chose to overlay both racial issues (Isaiah and Sam's sister), and border issues (Flagsmashers).
They tossed Walker in, who was what villains CALLED Steve- "the soldier". Walker IS a good soldier, and as he said- he did what they trained him to do, he did what they asked him to do.
But as it's said, soldiers don't make for good cops; they are trained to kill and impose force.
Sam is processing ALL the negativity, and emphasizing with it- tried to talk sense into Karli, sat and listened to Isaiah's story.
And AFTER absorbing all of that, he then proceeds to-
go unite his hometown community to help his sister; work side-by-side with Bucky (the White Wolf), who reaffirms to him that people of all color etc are good; finally take up the shield.
I THINK Sam is going to come out of this and say "we're all people and we all have grievances, but we still have to work together, and some things just aren't acceptable no matter the reason behind it".
Posted on 4/18/21 at 12:25 pm to HailToTheChiz
It's just funny that people think the show is "woke" because they are giving a very real black perspective.
That's not what woke is and it's why it has quickly become a buzzword that has lost all meaning.
Very clear that quite a few people in this thread just want the show to be all white... which, y'know, is just as racist as they claim Isaiah Bradley is being in this episode.
That's not what woke is and it's why it has quickly become a buzzword that has lost all meaning.
Very clear that quite a few people in this thread just want the show to be all white... which, y'know, is just as racist as they claim Isaiah Bradley is being in this episode.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 12:29 pm to Broski
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It's just funny that people think the show is "woke" because they are giving a very real black perspective.
They aren't.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 12:32 pm to Scoob
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I THINK Sam is going to come out of this and say "we're all people and we all have grievances, but we still have to work together, and some things just aren't acceptable no matter the reason behind it".
That would be reasonable. I'll be shocked if that's what happens.
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