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re: Official Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 5 Discussion Thread
Posted on 4/18/21 at 9:27 pm to Methuselah
Posted on 4/18/21 at 9:27 pm to Methuselah
quote:Bucky whooped arse in Madripoor. So he still can; he had to act like he was still the Winter Soldier.
The "holding back" thing is as good an in universe reason as any. However, I think the real world reason is that any ongoing protagonist in a comic, movie or series has to job to an extent so that the narrative can establish the bona fides of villains and guest stars when they first fight. Usually the ongoing characters come up with a way to prevail in the final battle. We'll see if Bucky handles himself better in the finale.
As I remember, he also commented afterwards that it scared him, that he felt like the Winter Soldier was still in there somewhere.
I think, on reading this thread and watching the show, he's definitely holding back. Not because of any conditions set on him by the government or courts, but for guilt over what he's done, and fear of becoming that again.
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Posted on 4/18/21 at 10:19 pm to Scoob
It sure seems like we have a lot to wrap up in 1 60 ish minute episode left in this series. I guess they are setting up for a season 2? Idk.
This post was edited on 4/18/21 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 4/18/21 at 10:32 pm to gsvar2004
I agree. I'm honestly not sure how they'll wrap up all the story threads.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 10:50 pm to imjustafatkid
Don’t care. Captain America will be from Louisiana though. Suck it Bama.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 10:53 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Don’t care. Captain America will be from Louisiana though. Suck it Bama.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 12:21 am to JJ27
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Now this guy?
Hate to break it to you, but John Walker was the real deal in the comics. He was and is actually stronger than Steve.
And unlike Steve, he actually fought for real in wars..un-enhanced. And was great at it. He's actually underpowered in this show, in the books his strength level is more on the level with spiderman. I believe it was at 5X the strength of Steve Rogers, keep in mind that John is also just learning his new capabilities, whereas Bucky has had a hell of a head start.
I've always been sympathetic towards Walker. I was gifted alot of captain America books back in the day and a lot of them involved his story. (Also had a ghost rider #5 that I fricking lost somewhere im always hoping to find)
His story is tragic, and I was always sympathetic towards John Rambo. Had we not seen Rambo from John Rambo's POV, he would have seemed like a crazy POS.
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 2:10 am
Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:48 am to SEClint
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And unlike Steve, he actually fought for real in wars..un-enhanced.
Huh? You're either making stuff up or got confused.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:08 am to PowerTool
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Huh? You're either making stuff up or got confused.
In the films, Steve never saw battle or any real war action before he was an enhanced person. John did. In those types of situations, Steve always had confidence of having a hell of an advantage. John was just a man.
How is that confusing?
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:44 am to SEClint
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but John Walker was the real deal in the comics.
Maybe I was confused on whether you were talking about Walker in the comics or the show because of this comment. In the comics, Walker never saw any action.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:56 am to PowerTool
I'm talking more so about this show, mainly in reference to comparing strengths. Being he was strong as hell in the books, it seems they are giving John a lot of strength in respect to it, showing he can hold his own against the winter soilder and falcon but to the accuracy im just kinda wondering.
And if he will be even more enhanced since Taskmaster is getting involved soon
And if he will be even more enhanced since Taskmaster is getting involved soon
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 2:58 am
Posted on 4/19/21 at 6:41 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Captain America will be from Louisiana though. Suck it Bama.
Which means he’d probably commit to Saban....
Posted on 4/19/21 at 7:04 am to FairhopeTider
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Which means he’d probably commit to Saban....
Captain America’s new whip
Posted on 4/19/21 at 7:50 am to SEClint
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keep in mind that John is also just learning his new capabilities
That was my point. Bucky has decades of experience over him and he literally just took the serum. He’s a baby. No way should he have destroyed both of them in that manner.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 9:49 am to imjustafatkid
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They aren't
So how do you know what the perspective is?
True story my grandfather was a proud WWII vet. Came home fully of pride for fighting for his country and couldn't get a job because everyone told him they didn't hire Colored or Negros. Now I wont say he was as bitter as Isiah Bradley is being portrayed, but he definitely kinda felt like, mam WTF do I have to do to get a fair chance! But his message was keep working hard an eventually hard work wins out!
The left has used race to divide this country for decades. Now the right has learned to do the same. Scare your base enough to keep them in line. Thats the new strategy and its working 100%. People still know right from wrong, but will ignore it because of fear mongering by both parties.
If you want to control people Divide them. Oldest game on the books!
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 10:07 am
Posted on 4/19/21 at 9:50 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Captain America’s new whip
Posted on 4/19/21 at 9:51 am to JJ27
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That was my point. Bucky has decades of experience over him and he literally just took the serum. He’s a baby. No way should he have destroyed both of them in that manner.
Not the same serum (yeah, it's blue and all, but Hagel talked about how his was different).
Posted on 4/19/21 at 9:57 am to JJ27
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Bucky has decades of experience over him and he literally just took the serum.
Bucky has more experience post serum, but overall he doesn’t have more experience. He spent most of the 20th century on ice. And his brutal, mostly weapon-based fighting techniques as winter soldier are something he is now consciously avoiding.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:19 am to USMCTIGER1970
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True story my grandfather was a proud WWII vet. Came home fully of pride for fighting for his country and couldn't get a job because everyone told him they didn't hire Colored or Negros. Now I wont say he was as bitter as Isiah Bradley is being portrayed, but he definitely kinda felt like, mam WTF do I have to do to get a fair chance! But his message was keep working hard an eventually hard work wins out!
Yes, this stuff happened, but Isaiah Bradley's story is completely fictionalized. What you're describing isn't great, but it also isn't "thrown in jail for decades." I would also say that forcing diversity hires is absolutely destroying our once great nation, so while I agree it is wrong to make hiring decisions on anything other than merit, I disagree that the government should have forced that issue and doing so has made things far worse. Now we're being pushed toward the opposite scenario and hiring people solely based on checking diversity boxes and ignoring merit because we allowed the government to get involved in this in the first place. Your very story is what they're hitting on in this show, and that pushes the narrative that we have to keep heading down the absolute wrong path we're on now.
The parts they push forward that are supposed to be modern day examples (the inability to get a loan, the police "harassing" Sam for yelling at someone in the middle of the street) are not racial.
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 10:20 am
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:53 am to imjustafatkid
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Yes, this stuff happened, but Isaiah Bradley's story is completely fictionalized
LOL, I thought this was obvious, we are talking about a show based on a comic book. That is IMO doing a pretty good job staying in line with the source material based in Bradley's character.
The subject matter was written in the comics years ago, but back then the mere mention of race in media wasn't as polarizing as it is today.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:55 am to USMCTIGER1970
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The subject matter was written in the comics years ago, but back then the mere mention of race in media wasn't as polarizing as it is today.
The story was pretty polarizing to comic readers in the 2000's when it came out. Retconning Rogers as the second Captain America didn't get broad applause.
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