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re: LOTR Trilogy: who deserved more/less screen time?
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:06 pm to BottomlandBrew
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:06 pm to BottomlandBrew
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This post was edited on 4/24/26 at 11:38 am
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Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:11 pm to sgallo3
quote:well they do move slowly
Less: noone really but maybe the ents segment dragged on
i think it was an artistic choice
Posted on 3/8/26 at 9:52 pm to RidiculousHype
My take:
More:
Eomer, Faramir, Denethor, Prince Imrahil
Less:
Army of the Dead
major character changes:
Frodo (way too effeminate)
Denethor (way too boorish and slovenly)
Simply put, stick closer to the books. Frodo is smart, resilient, and surprisingly tough. Denethor is supposed to be like Aragorn turned to bitter despair, not a slob.
Aragorn and Eomer win the battle at Minas Tirith through will and combat skill, and meet on the field of battle as the tide is turned for the ultimate manly fistbump. How the frick PJ decided to skip that is beyond me, it would have been an alltime great scene.
Bonus, we need Eomer and Gimli talking elf-babes, like in the books.
More:
Eomer, Faramir, Denethor, Prince Imrahil
Less:
Army of the Dead
major character changes:
Frodo (way too effeminate)
Denethor (way too boorish and slovenly)
Simply put, stick closer to the books. Frodo is smart, resilient, and surprisingly tough. Denethor is supposed to be like Aragorn turned to bitter despair, not a slob.
Aragorn and Eomer win the battle at Minas Tirith through will and combat skill, and meet on the field of battle as the tide is turned for the ultimate manly fistbump. How the frick PJ decided to skip that is beyond me, it would have been an alltime great scene.
Bonus, we need Eomer and Gimli talking elf-babes, like in the books.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 9:52 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
That scene is absolutely necessary for establishing Faramir, because otherwise he just comes across as a massive dick. If you had seen that scene in the theater, the audience wouldn’t have hated Faramir as they did at the time.
Faramir needed less screen time, not more. The entire point of his character in the books is that he is given the opportunity to take the Ring and doesn't do it. Not that he does claim it and then carries it to Osgiliath only to for some reason realize the error of his ways once the Nazgul attack. In the books he is too noble to even consider taking it. People didn't hate the character, they hated the way the trilogy butchered the presentation of the character. It's the only really serious misstep that Jackson made in the trilogy, I think.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:24 am to molsusports
quote:
More Tom Bombadil,
I think Tom might have made a difficult transition into the movies, considering the nature of the character. His part in the first novel doesn't serve any real narrative purpose.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:47 am to skrayper
It’s been mentioned already but not having the scouring of the shire was my biggest complaint. It completely changes pip and merrys ending and shows their full change including how the entdraught changed their bodies and made them bigger.
I just always hated that it was left out.
I just always hated that it was left out.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 9:09 am to extremetigerfanatic
quote:
It’s been mentioned already but not having the scouring of the shire was my biggest complaint. It completely changes pip and merrys ending and shows their full change including how the entdraught changed their bodies and made them bigger.
I just always hated that it was left out.
I agree, but I also understand it from a movie narrative sense vs a novel's narrative. At that point in the movie, the story has reached a full conclusion - the scouring of the shire would, for the sake of a movie narrative, have to be set earlier in the story. That makes it harder to find a good spot for it, considering everything else going on.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 9:27 am to sgallo3
quote:
More: faromir
We simply needed book Faramir not Peter Jackso's Faramir. One of my only complaints with the entire trilogy. Did a pretty big injustice to his character, who was one of my favorites in the book and least favorites in the movie.
This post was edited on 3/9/26 at 10:17 am
Posted on 3/9/26 at 9:37 am to molsusports
quote:
More Tom Bombadil,
Glad he was left out. You just can't do Tom justice in movie form, he's too much of a lore character and would be very weird to do a good Tom. Hence you get the abomination version you got in Rings of Power.
quote:
Ring Wraiths
Agreed. Wish they would have actually had the Nazul, and Orcs for that matter, actually talk a little more. They came off as very creepy in the movie and well done so maybe it wouldn't have come off the way they wanted having them talk a little more like the books, but just a personal preference.
quote:
Saruman (especially being turned).
Time frame doesn't really work unless they just showed him looking in to the Palantir, which was around Bilbo's birthday I think. He' was being turned long before the events at the beginning of LOTR. Hence why they showed more of that during The Hobbit movies with the necromancer. Just didn't do a good job with it.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 10:03 am to RidiculousHype
More:
As far as the theatrical versions go, Sauruman's death should have been included.
As far as the theatrical versions go, Sauruman's death should have been included.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 10:05 am to RidiculousHype
Glorfindel. Arwen stole his role. So more Glorfindel and less Arwen. The fakeout death scene should have been cut. We already have a more important fakeout death scene. We didn't need Aragorn going over the side and then almost immediately being shown alive. Didn't need it.
Yeah, a bit too much Ent talk.
Yeah, a bit too much Ent talk.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 10:35 am to RidiculousHype
I'm just glad they didn't sing songs all the way through the trilogy. I used to skip through most of that in the books.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 10:43 am to TigerMyth36
While I missed the inclusion of Glorfindel, I do understand why he was left out. He is only important for the race to Rivendell, and in a movie trilogy with enough characters for the audience to keep up with already that's just one more name for them to try and remember. And while Arwen in the books was a remote figure that interacted very little with the main plot, I can also understand them wanting/needing to expand her role a little bit to entice Liv Tyler (or someone of similar stature at the time) to play her.
I will say that I wish Jackson had not included the Elves participating in the Battle of Helm's Deep.
I will say that I wish Jackson had not included the Elves participating in the Battle of Helm's Deep.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 10:53 am to RidiculousHype
more: no one
Less: No one
perfect movies no notes
Less: No one
perfect movies no notes
Posted on 3/9/26 at 1:41 pm to TheTideMustRoll
quote:
Faramir
quote:Agreed with Faramir, but it's not the only serious misstep.
People didn't hate the character, they hated the way the trilogy butchered the presentation of the character. It's the only really serious misstep that Jackson made in the trilogy, I think.
Denethor was massively misconstrued. In the books, he is noble and strong, and Pippin sees a LOT of Aragorn in him. Gandalf even warns Pippin of this beforehand. And Pippin immediately likes him. Denethor's issue is that he despairs; he knows what Sauron has arrayed against him, and knows they can not win. The attack against Minas Tirith that they barely beat back, that's just the first of many coming, and not the largest. Denethor is aware of the Ring, understands Gandalf's plan and thinks it foolish. He thinks the Ring would be Gondor's only hope, and even that isn't a guarantee. Sending it away to Mordor is suicide in his opinion, as Sauron doesn't need it to win, and if Sauron DOES get it back it's just that much worse.
And to add insult to injury, he knows Gandalf has Aragorn enroute... someone to supplant him and be Gandalf's willing puppet in his eyes, for what would be a futile effort anyway, after he (Denethor) has done all the heavy lifting of defending Gondor.
None of that is conveyed in the movies.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 4:10 pm to RidiculousHype
I wanted to see down on his luck Saruman smoke a bunch of Hobbit dope and get his real final comeuppance.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 4:19 pm to Jack Ruby
quote:
But I don't give a shite because:
I’ll raise you
Posted on 3/9/26 at 10:21 pm to Scoob
quote:
Denethor was massively misconstrued. In the books, he is noble and strong, and Pippin sees a LOT of Aragorn in him. Gandalf even warns Pippin of this beforehand. And Pippin immediately likes him. Denethor's issue is that he despairs; he knows what Sauron has arrayed against him, and knows they can not win. The attack against Minas Tirith that they barely beat back, that's just the first of many coming, and not the largest. Denethor is aware of the Ring, understands Gandalf's plan and thinks it foolish. He thinks the Ring would be Gondor's only hope, and even that isn't a guarantee. Sending it away to Mordor is suicide in his opinion, as Sauron doesn't need it to win, and if Sauron DOES get it back it's just that much worse.
And to add insult to injury, he knows Gandalf has Aragorn enroute... someone to supplant him and be Gandalf's willing puppet in his eyes, for what would be a futile effort anyway, after he (Denethor) has done all the heavy lifting of defending Gondor.
I don't disagree with this at all. Denethor is a much more complex character than the movies portray him as. For whatever reason Jackson decided to just make him arrogant and uncaring rather than exploring his use of the Palantir and the true reason for his despair. Maybe he felt that the book version was too nuanced to really be able to get across to a movie audience.
Another serious frickup which I just now remembered: the movies absolutely ruined Gandalf confronting the Witch King at the gate of Gondor. That was one of the most badass scenes in the book and Jackson basically didn't even include it in the movie. Maybe he felt it would be too thematically similar to the earlier confrontation with the Balrog.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:04 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
We simply needed book Faramir not Peter Jackso's Faramir. One of my only complaints with the entire trilogy.
Yea. Same for Frodo and to a lesser extent boromir.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:57 am to RidiculousHype
The only thing I wish was in the movies was the actual book ending with the retaking of the Shire and how Saruman died in the Shire.
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