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re: Last Chance U season 3 in game thread

Posted on 7/29/18 at 5:48 pm to
Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
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Posted on 7/29/18 at 5:48 pm to
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Ms. Wagner,


Strangely attracted to her
Posted by GWfool
Member since Aug 2010
2419 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 10:30 am to
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I just finished the second to last episode. This is a poor version of the first two seasons of LCU. The teacher, who they're trying to parallel Ms. Wagner, is crying over her ancestors being oppressed and dying over trying to learn the alphabet and higher education. This country has provided opportunities to the ones that want it for a long time. The SJW and entitlement mentality makes me sick. All of these guys have a chance to get an education and go to the next level, but most on this documentary show they don't want or care about an education or putting in the work to get better to go to the next level.


They caught lightening in a bottle with the first season at EMCC and Brittany Wagner, everyone fell in love with her right away and many of the players were truly compelling. The show is still very entertaining, but it will never be as good like the first seaon.

The English teacher at times seemed genuine, but much of it felt contrived. Buddy is a fricked up person, but EMCC is an actual program and this place is just a shite show with very little real consequences. The coach continues to talk about how if they don't get their grades up etc they will face punishment, but you don't really ever see anyone be punished, including Malik. He kicked the one running back off the team, but it was just because he didn't need him.

The coaches at EMCC outside of Buddy were actual professionals and cared unless you were a complete shite head like Cam. Malik is so bad, I don't understand how he has a single friend.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:35 am to
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The English teacher at times seemed genuine, but much of it felt contrived


There is no doubt about this. It didn't work from the get go. I can tell she cared. I'm not trying to take that away from her. But what the woman did in that first season is hard to find again. It just seemed more natural. Also, the constantly changing and distracting hair..... . The race thing was sometimes over the top, but at the same time it seemed like a good discussion at points.

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The coach continues to talk about how if they don't get their grades up etc they will face punishment, but you don't really ever see anyone be punished, including Malik. He kicked the one running back off the team, but it was just because he didn't need him.


People try to say that you see that they coach is a good guy at the end. I'll give you that he may be better than the guy from the first 2 seasons. In that he does somewhat care what happens compared to really just using players to win a championship. But the fact is, no matter what his intentions are, he was a piece of shite a lot of the time. He was a very poor example of what an upstanding human being should be personally and professionally. And the best way to teach is to set a good example.
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
14183 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:50 am to
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The race thing was sometimes over the top, but at the same time it seemed like a good discussion at points.


I might be giving her way too much credit, but maybe this is what she was trying to do:

It's hard to get these type of kids to care about whatever it is that they are teaching in class. The first challenge is getting them to care. If she can use the race discussion as a method to get the kids engaged,then have at it. Using it to get them to think critically is smart.
Posted by JMFG
Member since Apr 2008
308 posts
Posted on 8/2/18 at 1:26 am to
As a coach of over 10 years experience I had to turn this off. I've coached at a much bigger level than this clown and this whole coaching staff made me sad for my profession. He will just lead to more arse clowns acting this way. He may win because he has some cats and acts an arse but God doesn't sleep. People ask me why I never wanted to coach small level college football and this is why. Its not about anything but personal gain of some coach and some player who has talent but doesn't have anything else. Football took a step back with this show
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
20149 posts
Posted on 8/2/18 at 9:35 am to
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I don’t dislike Malik like everyone else in this thread. Dude is forced to do something he doesn’t want to do, his attitude about it is blatantly rebellious.
agreed. Initially I really didn't like Malik, but after seeing what his father did to him, I actually am sympathetic. And he's such a contradiction, because he's so articulate and seems like a very smart kid.

But Malik clearly doesn't want to play football, and all the other stuff is just a result of that.

Take him away from football and into something he wants to do, and I think you'd see a vastly different person.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11377 posts
Posted on 8/2/18 at 9:42 am to
I don't think you are giving the guy enough credit. It is such a unique situation, with some of the worst circumstances. I don't know anybody that could have reached most of these players. To take trouble makers from across the country and semi-mold them into a decent team is a tremendous task.

The fact that he sent something like 30 guys to the next level, plus around a dozen to division 1 was amazing. Couple that with the greatest season in that schools history. His behavior was outrageous at first, but he had to try to get these guy's attention. I hope the guy makes it. He really seems like a nice dude. It looks like he found his niche..
Posted by ShootingsBricks4Life
Member since May 2017
2601 posts
Posted on 8/2/18 at 2:35 pm to
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I've coached at a much bigger level than this clown


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People ask me why I never wanted to coach small level college football


I'm trying to understand...you coached at a bigger level than him but you never wanted to coach small level college football? That is literally what this coach does. If I'm missing something I apologize.
Posted by Peter Venkman
Jackson, TN
Member since Aug 2016
2609 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:13 pm to
I lasted about 7 minutes into the first episode before I had enough. I was actively rooting for the coach to get hit by a car. That guy is infuriating. How can you preach about trying to mold these players into productive members of society if you don't even have enough class to not use the f-bomb in every single sentence?
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
13142 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:52 am to
I just started season 1 after S3. The differences between EMCC and ICC is night and day. That teacher from Independence reaching any of those kids is a borderline miracle. This counselor has really laid an amazing foundation at EMCC.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 4:19 pm to
Just finished S3. Jason Brown is an abusive piece of garbage. Everything is about him and he subjects his players to a nonstop stream of abuse which they accept because they are so desperate for approval from authority. He never once praises a kid all season long without also diminishing the person. Just an utter piece of shite person who then basks in the reflected glow of their accomplishments, casting aside the ones he can't use. But crap like blaming Gooden for the loss IN FRONT OF THE TEAM in his postgame speech was such petty BS. You're the adult. Act like it.

Malik Henry is a fascinating kid. He's a pouty, selfish prima dona, but the infuriating thing is that he's usually right. His criticisms of the coach and the program are spot on, and whenever Brown flips out over the lack of discipline on the team, Malik points out that the team lacks any structure in practice, so why would it suddenly have it in games? Malik is no doubt a team cancer, but it's made worse by the fact his complaints land accurately. The times we see Malik read a defense or draw up a strategy, he's proven right. He understands the X/O's of the game in a way his coach doesn't, but Brown is also right that he lacks toughness and steps away from throws because he's scared of everything.

The bit with his dad shows that he's simply playing the wrong sport. Malik's mom talked about how he loved baseball and how his dad forced him to quit. And most of Malik's flaws (a lack of leadership, not giving a damn about anyone else, fear of contact) wouldn't prevent him from being an elite pitcher. Hell, we expect pitchers to be odd, quirky loners. Malik's problem is that he's playing the wrong sport.

Totally agreed with whoever talked about Carlos Thompson. He was the team leader and he made tons of big plays (which of course could be edited to only show his good stuff). But I felt so bad for him that he was out of D-1 eligibility. He seemed like the kind of guy who made the most of his time and earned a second chance somewhere other than D2.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11377 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:30 pm to
Here is an interview with Henry on Whitlock's show.. LINK

From what I've seen, it looks like Henry is going back to Independence for another season. Some say Ole Miss recruited him, but he wanted a bigger offer (one service has him ranked as the #2 JUCO dual threat QB).

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Malik's problem is that he's playing the wrong sport.


I get why people might think this, but how do we know? He has huge talent for a QB. He is tall, has a cannon arm and the kid knows the game. I don't know how he will mature/fill out, but the guy has unbelievable talent. He has only played one season of college football. You think he should just quit? Was he even good at baseball? Where would he go play baseball at?
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
12246 posts
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:46 am to
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What do you do when you have a kid that is super gifted in an area?


I'm not sure what the 100% correct thing to do is but I am certain that you don't send him to 3 different high schools in 3 different states and then force him to go to JUCO when it's clear that he has mental issues (depression and/or addiction) that need to be addressed.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19482 posts
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:27 am to
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But I felt so bad for him that he was out of D-1 eligibility. He seemed like the kind of guy who made the most of his time and earned a second chance somewhere other than D2.


I did kind of feel bad for him as well, but that guy had to have had plenty of opportunities to do something with himself and get back to D-1, but he didn't take advantage of them
Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
52570 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:40 pm to
Just finished episode 4. This is such a toxic environment for everyone. If i was an assistant coach I would leave in a heartbeat the first job opportunity I had.
Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
52570 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 10:39 pm to
This is such a amazing produced show. I like how they featured the cut scenes of their home life during parts of the games this year. Pulling for the white kid thats the center. Even though he lives in a trailer that view in nevada is a million dollars
This post was edited on 8/12/18 at 10:40 pm
Posted by floyd of pink
Metry
Member since Nov 2011
3334 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 4:47 pm to
I know I'm late to the game and I'll be mirroring what a lot of people already said, but here's what I got out of the season:

-I actually liked Coach Brown. Yeah he's trash who says frick every other word, but he seemed to truly care for the kids. And I thought he was pretty damn funny. Coach fat frick Buddy was the worst.

-Poor Bobby Bruce. How could you not root for this kid? I audibly said "no!" when i saw he got arrested. All that work for nothing.

-At first I hated Malik Henry. He was such a smug d-bag the entire season. Then I completely changed my mind after watching him eat lunch with his dad and trainer during the last episode. The way his dad was blatantly laughing at his weaknesses. How Malik just looked at him helplessly. It was pathetic. frick his dad. He's teaching Malik how to be a piece of shite.

-Someone said it before about the black teacher already, and yes I agree she used racial examples way too much for my liking, but she was trying to connect with the kids i think. And that may have been the best way to make them actually give a shite.

Overall I love this series. Can't wait for season 4.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
13142 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:54 pm to
Watching season 3 before seasons 1 and 2 gave me a unique look into the show. Not saying that I’m special, just that obviously the optics will be different going from ICC to EMCC instead. Seasons 1 and 2 actually quelled my doubts about Coach Brown. He is having to do so damn much. Actually giving a shite about these kids will take its toll. It’s easy to recognize what he lacks as an Xs and Os coach until you remember he’s a project JUCO head coach with absolutely no help or structure around him. His salary alottment for his assistants is room and board. He doesn’t have a Ms. Wagner. He has a teacher who’s going above and beyond her job expectations. I can’t really fault the guy for drinking in his hot tub at the end of a long arse day of babysitting 19 year olds from the ghetto instead of going over another 2 hours of film. If he’s realistic about himself, this is the highest level he will reach.

I really wonder what season 2 of ICC will look like. Will the town see the season on Netflix and be absolutely pissed about all of the cursing and crap? At his town halls, his language was curbed quite a bit. He needs that edge and ability to be ghetto occasionally to reach these kids using his method.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 5:54 pm
Posted by PortHudsonPlaya
Houston
Member since Jul 2017
3170 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:12 pm to
Just finished the season. I sort of hate and feel bad for JB. He is a terrible coach and I doubt one kid develops anything positive athletically or academically under him.

On the flip side I think he’s genuine and wants good things. His background will always haunt him. He looks out of place in any professional setting and you can tell by his manurisms that he is very insecure around adults. He’s never matured as a person and the only place he prob feels comfortable is hanging out with juco players. He wants what’s best for them but really doesn’t know how to give them that.

None of the players really captured my attention like ones in seasons 1-2. The teacher was very devoted and hopefully she reached some of those kids. It’s sad to see the level of education those kids have been exposed to. By this point in their life l, it’s almost too late.

Overall, the season was entertaining but couldn’t light a candle to 1 or 2. JB was really the only captivating character and his act got old pretty quick.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
34199 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:35 pm to
I liked the season and I agree on the English teacher. I get what she was trying to say, just came across weird.


Its also a double standard. You think a white woman could get away with telling her students how oppressed white people are how bad they've had it?
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