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re: Jehovah witnesses being exposed on a&e next month will be awesome
Posted on 10/12/18 at 11:55 am to ZappBrannigan
Posted on 10/12/18 at 11:55 am to ZappBrannigan
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So, c'mon pull the other leg.
I'm at the dr about to get an exam and x ray so itll be a little while before I can respond but I'll try to.
I don't really consider wiki to be the best source on this subject though, theres probably guys like bossbaby adding to it. Maybe not though.
Jw.org and wol.jw.org has I think every publication that's ever been released so that's a pretty good place to search. Especially if you think they have predicted the time of the end multiple times. Just so you dont waste your time, you wont find that, bc it never happened.
Also, just a quick answer to a wrong popular opinion, or what wiki says, we dont think c.t. Russell to be the first JW or founded the scriptural beliefs we have.
And I'm not trying to argue, I mean probanly nothing I say is going to change your general opinion of JWs, but I do like to clear up misconceptions. And I haven't one time talked bad about another religion, that clearly have wrong scriptural beliefs.
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Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:03 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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I'm no JW, but this seems pretty contradictory
The main reason is bc the first response is from a JW and the second is from wikipedia. Just scanning over that, a major flaw is that it says that armageddon started in 1914, which isn't correct.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:05 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Who's the founder- Jesus. straight from JW.org
But who was the leader of the movement and first editor of JW publications!
Well would you look at that C.T. Russell.
Pull. The. Other. Leg.
But who was the leader of the movement and first editor of JW publications!
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The modern-day organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses began at the end of the 19th century. At that time, a small group of Bible students who lived near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the United States, began a systematic analysis of the Bible. They compared the doctrines taught by the churches with what the Bible really teaches. They began publishing what they learned in books, newspapers, and the journal that is now called The Watchtower—Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom.
Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower, he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.—Colossians 1:18-20.
Well would you look at that C.T. Russell.
Pull. The. Other. Leg.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:08 pm to dallastiger55
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while we are having a fun conversation about religion, i remember growing up in Lake Charles and we always had 1 or 2 Pentecostal kids who would turn their desks when we would watch a video.
They also just wore LONG arse skirts and never make up.
Yes its pentecostals that wear the long shirts. Not sure on way, just a guess would be they see it as a modesty thing, not sure though.
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Am i dreaming this or was this real?
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and does it still go on?
Yea, we have a really big Pentecostal church here in bossier and you see the long skirts and non cut hair.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:15 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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a major flaw is that it says that armageddon started in 1914, which isn't correct.
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LINK
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The 1914 doctrine has changed by necessity, and continued to change in the twenty first century, as it has been falsified by the progression of history. It has progressed from:
The last days started in 1799, ending in 1914.
The last days started in 1914, ending within a single lifetime/generation of those born prior to 1914.
The last days started in 1914, with an unspecified ending, after a period of an "overlapping generation."
The ability of the Watchtower to accurately foretell the meaning of 1914 is a great source of faith for Jehovah's Witnesses, unaware of what Watchtower said prior to 1914. Nothing Russell said about 1914 came to pass. For Russell and early Watchtower followers, the 2nd of October 1914 was expected to be the the conclusion of this system of things
This post was edited on 10/12/18 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:27 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
beat me to it JWfacts on 1914
The provided provides 4 excerpts 2 before 1914 and 2 after in 73 and 93.
The ones before claim Jesus took his seat in 1878 and 1914 is the end of the end times.
The ones in 73 and 93 claim 1914 as Jesus taking his seat and the end times beginning then.
All is with certainty.
So are this not JW publications?
Have the quotes been doctored?
The provided provides 4 excerpts 2 before 1914 and 2 after in 73 and 93.
The ones before claim Jesus took his seat in 1878 and 1914 is the end of the end times.
The ones in 73 and 93 claim 1914 as Jesus taking his seat and the end times beginning then.
All is with certainty.
So are this not JW publications?
Have the quotes been doctored?
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:28 pm to ZappBrannigan
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While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower, he was not the founder of a new religion
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Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.—
I feel like that's what I said.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 12:32 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Right but it's a cop out and a lie.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 1:10 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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In certain areas many will look the same bc you can order building materials in bulk and it's more cost effective and more efficient with building.
That makes sense. They all look the same.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 1:33 pm to dallastiger55
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need a documentary about Penecostals in Louisiana. They creeped me out when I lived there
I have never seen so many references across TD about Penecostals before today.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 1:57 pm to ZappBrannigan
Yea so they were wrong in the 1880s when they said that. I admit that I didn't know that. You can count that as a point if you're trying to argue. The 1973 you referenced wasnt the time they corrected their thinking on it though, it was long before that. I honestly wouldnt expect them to get every bible prophecy correctly understood in a short time like that. Over the years there has been a better understanding of revelation.
I dont know, we're probably wasting each others time and it's hard to go 3 against one without sitting down and talking about it really, and having a continued discussion. I have nothing but respect for your beliefs even though you think poorly of mine, I've accepted that fact that ill disagree with most people a long time ago. Either way, I dont mind talking about it but this is why I haven't bc I knew it would just end up me being called ignorant bc of what I believe.
That being said...
I dont know, we're probably wasting each others time and it's hard to go 3 against one without sitting down and talking about it really, and having a continued discussion. I have nothing but respect for your beliefs even though you think poorly of mine, I've accepted that fact that ill disagree with most people a long time ago. Either way, I dont mind talking about it but this is why I haven't bc I knew it would just end up me being called ignorant bc of what I believe.
That being said...
Posted on 10/12/18 at 2:10 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Yes they were wrong and then they tried to rewrite it, again the paper trail. I just grabbed that because I'm lazy and it was already done.
The point isn't when they changed their thinking or walked it back.
The point is they walked back their prophecy which is clearly laid out in the Gospel that only God knows. We know that Jesus isn't the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, that's Charles Russell. Because God will not announce the end of days. And that's the foundation of Jehovah's Witnesses. 1914 clear as day.
It's lies and a Doomsday cult.
FYI that link is full of the writings about it.
The point isn't when they changed their thinking or walked it back.
The point is they walked back their prophecy which is clearly laid out in the Gospel that only God knows. We know that Jesus isn't the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, that's Charles Russell. Because God will not announce the end of days. And that's the foundation of Jehovah's Witnesses. 1914 clear as day.
It's lies and a Doomsday cult.
FYI that link is full of the writings about it.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 3:55 pm to ZappBrannigan
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a Doomsday cult.
Yes we do from time to talk about the last days referred to in 2nd Timothy but our message is almost entirely positive. We dont worship some object, not even a cross, we dont have a sinister beliefs like a satan worshiper, theres no obsession to some singular person and we're not some small group of people doing stuff in private, theres over 8 million JWs who are very public. Get a life with the cult crap, think it to yourself or say it to as many people as you want but it doesnt make it true.
This post was edited on 10/12/18 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 10/12/18 at 4:09 pm to iwyLSUiwy
paragraph 17 on beards
Lsuiwy. This is my last question and I'm done. Why is it not acceptable for jw ministers to wear beards in some cultures and some it is?? It says it nowhere in the bible, that you cant wear beards. Yet, it says wearing a beard may hinder another person from bringing glory to God.
Lsuiwy. This is my last question and I'm done. Why is it not acceptable for jw ministers to wear beards in some cultures and some it is?? It says it nowhere in the bible, that you cant wear beards. Yet, it says wearing a beard may hinder another person from bringing glory to God.
This post was edited on 10/12/18 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 10/12/18 at 4:14 pm to Bossbailey34
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You do realize if you became a witness and your family too. Let's say one day you decided not to be a witness anymore. You are not allowed to talk to your family anymore. That is wrong!!
That's how Mormonism is apparently.
I had a friend who left the Church and his relatives stopped talking to him.
This post was edited on 10/12/18 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 10/12/18 at 4:50 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
That's why I have given up on religion. I even read that it's a sin to be on birth control. That's what the Catholics believe in.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 5:40 pm to Bossbailey34
It's more nuanced then that. I've explained it before but the gist is even the potential for life is sacred. So it's why the policy also preaches against in vitro since embryos are destroyed in the process.
It goes back to the fruitful and multiply and Abraham taking matters into his own hand when God was too lazy to get Sarah's plumbing working again. Things like that.
For the record atheist just theology is fun to dive in to.
It goes back to the fruitful and multiply and Abraham taking matters into his own hand when God was too lazy to get Sarah's plumbing working again. Things like that.
For the record atheist just theology is fun to dive in to.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 9:58 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I don't really consider wiki to be the best source on this subject though, theres probably guys like bossbaby adding to it. Maybe not though.
Jw.org and wol.jw.org has I think every publication that's ever been released so that's a pretty good place to search. Especially if you think they have predicted the time of the end multiple times. Just so you dont waste your time, you wont find that, bc it never happened.
I'd take Wikipedia over the links you give, though. Not because I consider wikipedia a bastion of perfect accuracy, though it's a helluva lot more accurate than common catchphrases claim because they do refine over time and they do have to cite sources. But while wikipedia might be biased, primary sources from the organization definitely are biased. That's the nature of the beast. I consider a JW-written source no more trustworthy than I consider a Scientologist web page.
Posted on 10/13/18 at 9:44 am to RabidTiger
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How long before they come after the Methodist?
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That would be a supremely uninteresting show.
I hope everyone read my "How long before they come after the Methodist?" post in Jem Finch's voice. I meant it that way.
Any kid that wouldn't come down out of a tree until his dad agreed to "Play football for The Methodists" had to have been and SEC fan.
Posted on 10/13/18 at 9:57 am to iwyLSUiwy
You've given well thought out responses and have seemingly dispelled most negative things thrown your way in this thread, so cudos for that. I do have one question, what will this show be about on A&E? I haven't looked into and haven't heard of it before this thread. Is it a show "outing" JW as a wacko cult? Or will it be just simply talking about the history of JW? I guess what I'm asking, what spin will this show have?
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