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re: Is it crazy to think Black Hawk Doen might be better than Saving Private Ryan
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:25 am to athenslife101
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:25 am to athenslife101
Black Hawk Down suffers from the decision to focus on a war EVENT rather than a specific person/persons with the war event as a backdrop.
You need an concise narrative. Otherwise things are a little too hectic IMO.
Its a good movie though.
You need an concise narrative. Otherwise things are a little too hectic IMO.
Its a good movie though.
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 1:00 pm
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Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:56 pm to athenslife101
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It’s been forever since I’ve seen either. Both obviously excellent. Both different aims.
While I don't agree, I don't think you're wrong either. Black Hawk Down was more chaotic, but I think it had to be. SPR, and the Eastern front of WW2 (at least for the Americans) you pretty much knew whom the enemy was and where they were located. In Mogadishu (sp) it could be anyone, they had no idea where they were, and they honestly had no idea why they were there.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 2:20 pm to RollTide1987
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I am going to get downvoted to hell and back, but I found Black Hawk Down to be overlong and overrated. Good movie. But not as good as people make it out to be.
You're not alone
Posted on 9/21/20 at 2:45 pm to RollTide1987
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I am going to get downvoted to hell and back, but I found Black Hawk Down to be overlong and overrated. Good movie. But not as good as people make it out to be.
I sort of agree - when BHD came out I was a projectionist at a movie theater so I saw it a bunch of times - it was loud and bloody - which I’m guessing is how war really is - but it was quite long and after seeing it so many times I lost interest
As for SPR - I’ve only seen the whole thing once - my great uncle went in on d-day on omaha beach under Bradley - and he was close to us when I was little and I just can’t make it through, I would’ve never thought the guy that taught me to play rummy went through that - the story line kind of pisses me off a little too although a back drop was needed to present the story, but I think it’s a better movie than BHD
But it’s been a while since I’ve seen both
Posted on 9/21/20 at 2:56 pm to Hester Carries
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Black Hawk Down suffers from the decision to focus on a war EVENT rather than a specific person/persons with the war event as a backdrop.
You need an concise narrative. Otherwise things are a little too hectic IMO.
Its a good movie though.
Maybe in the traditional war movie sense. But BHD accurately conveyed to the viewer the same sense of confusion and chaos that the brave soldiers faced in Mogadishu.
I have a hard time rewatching BHD because they did an incredible job immersing the viewer in this criminally avoidable tragedy. I come away stressed and anxious watching it
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 9/21/20 at 6:45 pm to Tigeralum2008
Met & talked with a 94 yr old vet who landed on Omaha Beach on D Day, and as an aside, subsequently ended up being Patton's backup driver. He said that SPR was the most realistic war movie he ever saw. Re the opening scene, he said the only thing missing was the smell of all that cordite in the air, the stench of bowels / intestines emptying, burned flesh, etc. Re Patton, "all I will say is that the car that hit & killed the General had no business being there, to the extent it was very odd, and was never found.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 6:53 pm to Keltic Tiger
I think BHD is much more rewatchanle... I have seen it or come in on it and watched to the end, dozens of times... SPP once in the theater and a few scenes here and there... I liked it, but didnt see the need to rewatch it.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 6:59 pm to Hester Carries
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Black Hawk Down suffers from the decision to focus on a war EVENT rather than a specific person/persons with the war event as a backdrop.
That's not always true. The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far are two examples of all-star casts who make a war event movie work. I actually like Black Hawk Down until, ironically enough, the shooting starts. It all becomes too chaotic and too noisy after that. The aforementioned two films did a better job of framing the action than Black Hawk Down.
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 9/21/20 at 8:26 pm to RollTide1987
Best parts of SPR are the battle scenes. The rest is fluff
Posted on 9/21/20 at 8:39 pm to Freauxzen
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BHD isn't necessarily better, but the action sequences are better
SPRs Omaha Beach sequence is probably the greatest war movie action ever put on film.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:37 am to haikarate
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Best parts of SPR are the battle scenes. The rest is fluff
Completely disagree. The best scene in the movie is when Captain Miller finally reveals his background to his men.
"I'm a school teacher..."
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:51 am to RollTide1987
Yeah, I'm not sure why it is cool to hate on Saving Private Ryan.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:56 am to GetCocky11
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I'm not sure why it is cool to hate on Saving Private Ryan.
It's just the hip thing to do on the Movie/TV Board. But what do you expect from a group of people who masturbate furiously when the latest MCU movie trailer hits the internet?
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:15 am to GetCocky11
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Yeah, I'm not sure why it is cool to hate on Saving Private Ryan
It’s not.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:29 am to GetCocky11
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Yeah, I'm not sure why it is cool to hate on Saving Private Ryan.
No one in this thread said it was a bad movie. Who is hating on it?
This is such a cop out reaction too, acting as if SPR is automatically perfect, and should not be criticized at all.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:36 am to RollTide1987
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It's just the hip thing to do on the Movie/TV Board. But what do you expect from a group of people who masturbate furiously when the latest MCU movie trailer hits the internet?
You're the one who literally starts a thread every time DCEU gets a new cheese cart manager.
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Every single one of those is a thread you started, and that's only back until JUNE.
I won't have characters in a post to keep going because when we're around the timing of a release you do a thread for every iteration of the trailer, a thread for the release night, a thread for the "Official" reactions, one for "Spoilers" and another to compare it to the MCU somehow, and a thread about some unsubstantiated rumor about the food and beverage situation on set.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 8:39 am
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:26 am to GetCocky11
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Yeah, I'm not sure why it is cool to hate on Saving Private Ryan.
I like SPR quite a lot. But for me I think it suffers from an indirect comparison with Band of Brothers.
Obviously SPR has a great cast and some legendary scenes. It deserves all the praise it gets. But I suspect a lot of people who like it also love BOB and have watched both countless times.
And with that backdrop (against a better portrayal of the war/reality in BOB), the storyline of SPR starts to get a little thin. That's really my only criticism, if you could call it that.
I love BHD too, but I've never really thought to compare them. I've often heard that BHD was a huge motivator for special operations recruitment, which makes sense.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:32 am to Freauxzen
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You're the one who literally starts a thread every time DCEU gets a new cheese cart manager.
It's because I know my audience. Clicks and replies are my game and I know what makes this board tick. You looking up my post history is proof of this.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 9:40 am
Posted on 9/22/20 at 10:02 am to Hester Carries
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Black Hawk Down suffers from the decision to focus on a war EVENT rather than a specific person/persons with the war event as a backdrop.
You need an concise narrative. Otherwise things are a little too hectic IMO.
Its a good movie though.
That's the point of the movie and why BHD is probably my favorite war flick ever. War is chaos. It's hectic. There isn't a singular narrative. And they nailed it. From the shell casings burning the American soldiers to showing the opposition's viewpoint. A ball of chaos and misery.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 10:08 am to brmark70816
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You are not the first person to say this and I don't get it. SPR had a stellar cast and blows away BHD. Unless you try to discount cameos..
Hanks
Damon
Burns
Sizemore
Diesel
Davies
Pepper
Danson
Ribisi
Goldberg
Giamatti
Cranston
Fillion
Farina
Hurst
There are a ton more that are very recognizable. So how is BHD so much better?
Because the majority of those people have a couple of lines at best.
The drama is mainly carried by Hanks (who I have long criticized for playing the same role in nearly every film, and this one of them), Sizemore, Damon and Pepper.
I mean, it's ok but Pepper and Sizemore hold it back from greatness.
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Unless you try to discount cameos..
So if I made a film with the worst actors ever, but had a scene with a bunch of people in a group who were the greatest actors ever for all of 2 mins and had no lines, then that film would automatically have the greatest acting cast of all time?
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