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Posted on 7/3/22 at 7:34 pm to
Posted by Barrister
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 7:34 pm to
Jon and Danny have baby but neither want the throne, so the child becomes king, but until he can reign, Tyrion is King regent.

Aria is captain of kings guard. Sansa returns to rule the North.
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 7:37 pm to
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My question is, how would you have mapped out that final season? If you were in charge, how would the story have been different? Ultimately, what could have made it a much better final season, in your opinion?


The actual storyline was great, the character arcs and twists were all mapped out and planned incredibly throughout the entire show from beginning to end.

I actually liked HOW it ended, it was typical of GoT fashion. I think my problem was with the pacing in the last season, it was incredibly rushed and didn't match the rest of the show leading up to it. The same ideas, arcs, and twists a little more fleshed out and paced like the first several seasons would've fixed everything.
Posted by Tarpon08
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 7:48 pm to
The KINGSLAYER being the one to kill the Night King made too much sense.

John King in the North with Rhaegal loyal to him.

Dany on the Iron Throne with Drogon loyal to her.

Threat of conflict in the last 2ish episodes.

Season ends in A Song of Ice and Fire with the dragon riders meeting in mid air as the screen goes to black.

This world will never have peace. Why try to end it pretending like it will?
This post was edited on 7/3/22 at 7:49 pm
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 7:52 pm to
I think the Seven Kingdoms should've went back to being their own "countries" without anyone on the Iron Throne (which is now destroyed anyway). Or a council with everyone representing their respective regions.

So Jon going North and saying frick this kingdom always tracked with me, so I don't have an issue with that. He would've been miserable as King of the Seven Kingdoms. He always longed to return to a simpler life and with the Wildlings. He picks up the mantle that Mance left behind. I'm ok with Sansa becoming Queen of the North as well. Bran I could see going the way of the Three-Eyed Crow, traveling beyond the wall with Jon to isolate himself from the rest of the world. I can also see Arya traveling the world too.

I'm on board with Jon killing the Night's King. On a Dragon.

Dany still dies, but I do a much better job of building up her madness well before the final season. Jon still ends up having to kill her after she sacks King's Landing when she reaches the peak of her madness.

Jamie kills Ceresi (the way this arc goes on the show pissed me off the most) and reaches his redemption arc. Either Jamie or Tyrion becomes ruler of what is left of King's Landing and Lannister lands (as an independent entity at this point, like the North).
Posted by Bama Bird
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 8:02 pm to
White Walkers taking Westeros is imminent. Final scene is a surviving Dany and Jon Snow with their baby (and a few others, doesn't really matter who) and one of the dragons sailing West and the final shot is them approaching land.

This ending both reflects the initial Targaryen landing at Westeros and leaves it open for a sequel.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 8:04 pm to
Certainly not how they ended it.
I don't know exactly what all I would have changed, but the answer is "a lot."
Posted by USMCguy121
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:14 pm to
The White walkers ignore Winterfell and go right past it to King's Landing, pantsing everyone.

Everything falls apart on cersei and she goes full mad queen and would rather zombify the whole city than work together. Jaime finally kills her like he's supposed to. Along the way the Cleganes go at it since that at least had to happen.


Dany doesn't go apeshit. She also doesn't lose her supporting cast since that was stupid.

Big battle at King's Landing. Jon kills the white walker king whatever his name was and fulfills his destiny.

Jon and Dany restart the Targaryen dynasty and unify the kingdom, although the north still keeps its sort of independence.

Bran sits down with Jon and tells him what his dad was really like and who he was, setting up a prequel series. He then travels north and becomes the 3 eyed raven and watches over the continent/world/whatever.


fat guy finishes his song of ice and fire book.


No bullshite, no attempts to be 'clever' no sudden contrivances, just give the fans a fulfilling ending and check all of the plot boxes that had been set up for years. And also have a completely different ending than the book writer said it would have so that way he gets off his arse and finishes it.
This post was edited on 7/3/22 at 9:28 pm
Posted by KingofthePoint
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 10:36 pm to
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Everybody dies but Cersei.


If you don’t want a happy ending, this is the way to go. Have Cersei end up all alone because of the decisions she made that were allegedly for her kids/family, but were really all about her.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 10:50 pm to
Literally anything else
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 11:40 pm to
OK, I got to start earlier than Season 8 though since it was fricked from the start. Seasons 5-8 need to be redone. I’ll go by season:

Season 5:

1) Littlefinger does not sell of Sansa to the Boltons. Keep the Jeyne Poole story from the books.

2) The Faegon plot is still present. I think it’s essential for later in the series with Dany burning down King’s Landing, because Cersei being the victim of it doesn’t work.

3) Dorne completely redone. Arianne is back in the plot and will eventually be Faegon’s wife. An agent of Varys or Littlefinger kills Myrcella to escalate Cersei’s insanity and force Dorne against the throne.

4) Sansa’s prevailing plot will be of marriage to Harold Hardyng as SweetRobin not knowing who she truly is wants her hand. Littlefinger slowly poisons him and unveils who Sansa truly is at their wedding before the Lords of the Vale. SweetRobin succumbs to the poison at their wedding in part due to the betrayal. It’s revealed seasons later that Littlefinger knew Robin was his son and murdered him anyway.

5) Jaime spends half the season in the riverlands.

6) Stannis survives the Boltons but flees back north to the Wall with a diminished force.

Season 6:

1) Littlefinger, Sansa, and the Vale Lords off the Freys and kill everyone at the Twins. It logically doesn’t make sense how Arya was able to do it the way she did in the show. Sansa is disturbed by how it goes.

2) Battle of the Bastards still happens but ends differently. The Lords of the Vale still save the day, but after they’ve killed all of the Boltons, they then turn on Jon and his Wildling forces. Sansa realizes who Littlefinger truly is and he imprisons her saying “She has the soft heart of a woman” giving her the connection that he goaded Joffrey into executing her father.

3) Faegon arrives in the Stormlands in the last few episodes of the series as Varys is helping Cersei without her knowing to her downfall.

4) Jaime’s arc is with Stoneheart most of the season.

Season 7:

1) Seasons 7 and 8 are as long as Seasons 1-6.

2) Dany’s arc of the season is departing from Slaver’s Bay and ends in the final episode at Dragonstone. All the Free Cities conspire against Dany to destroy her before reaching Westeros. At the exit of Slaver’s Bay they meet a major navy that takes out a significant portion of her fleet. She finds out from one of the captains that a much larger fleet is coming her way around Valyria, one she can not hope to beat. Tyrion suggests their only way through is to sail into Valyria since they’ll miss the Free Cities Armada that will go around it. When they get to Valyria, Dany tells them to stop being mesmerized and needing to know what caused the Doom of Valyria. Barristan is slain by an unholy demon defending Dany, and only a dozen of her ships make it out of Valyria from the horrors there. When she’s finally out of Valyria, Euron is waiting for her with a dragon horn. He manages to entrance Viserion and rides him off into the distance. When she finally gets to Dragonstone, she gets a crow from Jon Snow saying the Wall has fallen. Tyrion tells her she now has no hope of conquering Westeros outright, but she can save it from the White Walkers. Tyrion goes north to deal with Jon Snow and Littlefinger bringing Rhaegal, and Dany and Jorah go south to deal with Varys and Faegon hoping to recruit them to save Westeros.

2) Cersei goes full batshit this season especially thinking she removed the younger more beautiful queen in Margeary, but then she finds out about the other three queens: Dany, Sansa, and Arianne (note: Tommen survives Season 6). She goes full batshit lighting people on fire who dare bring her bad news all season.

3) Faegon has taken Storm’s End and Jaime having escaped Stoneheart knows that Cersei will lose and recently hearing about Myrcella’s death. He goes to Faegon and begs for his forgiveness saying he is obligated by vow to protect Rhaegar’s heir and enter his service so long as he spares Tommen and will make him Lord of Casterly Rock. Faegon agrees, even though Varys is furious from a distance. The remaining Sparrows as well as the City Watch open the gates for Faegon wanting Cersei to fall. Varys lets Jaime into the bowls of the Red Keep in a false way to save Tommen from Cersei.

Cersei poisons Tommen on the Iron Throne rather than him be caught alive. The second Tommen dies Jaime enters the throne room. Cersei thinks Jaime is there to die with her, but he instead asks her if she knows why he killed Aerys. She says it was for the family, but Jaime says no and goes on to explain why. As he’s explaining, Cersei realizes she’s turned into Aerys and that Jaime is there to kill her. As a last barb Jaime says he negotiated Tommen’s life to be Lord of Casterly Rock and she murdered him, and then strangles her to death. Varys then enters with Faegon’s troops and demands they arrest him for murdering the Queen.

When Jon Connington (Faegon’s mentor/protector) arrives (Samwell Tarly in tow) he gets the raven from Jon Snow. He’s been highly suspicious over Aegon and the Golden Company, but when he reads “Jon Snow” he makes a false yet true connection that Jon is the son of Rhaegar and falsely thinks Rhaegar named the child after him. Connington tells Samwell to release Jaime in the dungeon and go north to protect Jon Snow if he truly meant that vow to Rhaegar. Sam releases him, but it’s revealed that Varys poisoned Connington and was planning to frame Sam for it. The two of them ride north to protect Jon Snow.

4) In Winterfell, Littlefinger’s priorities are finding both Rickon and Bran and having them killed to cement Sansa’s rule. He succeeds in getting Rickon killed, but fails with Bran whose powers out manipulate Littlefinger. He also unites the rest of the North to take on Jon Snow.

5) At the Wall Jon and Stannis are dealt with dealing with the mutual threat of the White Walkers to the North and Littlefinger to the South. The White Walkers attack the wall for half the season and when Littlefinger’s army finally arrives to take on Jon’s at the Wall, Euron arrives with Viserion and breaks down the Wall for the White Walkers and wights to walk through. So an actual battle never happens. Stannis is taken alive and turned into a Walker by the Night’s King to command his army going South.

So factions at the end of Season 7:

The South: Faegon, Varys, Arianne, Dorne, the Reach, the Stormlands, Crownlands, the Golden Company

The North: Littlefinger, Sansa (hostage), The North, the Riverlands, the Vale

Dany’s army: Dany, Tyrion, Jorah, the Unsullied, the Dothraki, Drago, Rhaegal, Dragonstone

Jon’s Army: Jon Snow, Davos, Bran, Arya, Meera, Reed, Theon, Asha, the Hound, Brienne, the Night’s Watch, the Wildlings, Stannis’ remaining army, the Ironborn, House Mormont

The Others: The Three Eyed Crow, Stannis, Euron, the Mountain, Viserion, the White Walkers, wights, the Children of the Forest

I’ll get into Season 8 tomorrow, but really it should be called the War of the Three Hands where in the end it is Tyrion, Littlefinger, and Varys controlling the end events of the final season. Such bullshite how they ignored basically anything that was inconvenient to the plot. That would be exceptional high stakes for everyone at the end if those were the factions.

Granted I have no idea where Arya would fit into all this, so just assuming she makes it to the Wall and finds Jon.
This post was edited on 7/5/22 at 12:07 pm
Posted by ELVIS U
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 9:33 am to
Not by burning the innocent people of the city. Dragon Queen wins battle but loses her life in the fight. Jon Snow becomes King. Cripple little boy is just story teller.
Posted by tigger1
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 10:16 am to
Arya Stark was told to the show producers is to get killed in season 6 if I remember correct.

Also, Arya Stark is a combination of of 3 of the book characters.


Jon was going to end up the Dargon killer by reforging the sword and later to become the king.

Daenerys Targaryen as foretold many times in the show was going to be killed by an arrow fire at her while riding the dragon, and yes, she was going crazy in the books also by the end.

Melisandre is killed to help reforge the sword to kill the dragon.

Sansa Stark is likely to end up ruling the north.

Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane dies killing his brother

Cersei Lannister is killed by Jamie

Tyrion is one of the 3 dragon riders but is likely the one that loses his dragon to the night king.

Catelyn Stark is one of the 3 charters used to build super Ayra, she is raised from the dead and is the one that destroyers the Freys'.

All of this is foreshadowed in the books and interviews.
There is much more.
This post was edited on 7/4/22 at 10:17 am
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 10:22 am to
More episodes and not turning Danny into the mad queen in one episode. Also more knight king before he got killed off. Eight seasons of GOT and ended two of the best characters in a few episodes of the last season. My gripe all these years of kingdoms and building great characters to tear it down in fast forward at the end JUST SUCKED.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 10:25 am to
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Major plot points?

The Hound confronts and kills his undead brother using fire. Fire was the weapon the Mountain scarred him with, the Hound fears, and his brother is vulnerable to

Jamie and Cersei are revealed to be the children of the mad king. This explains Cersei's obsession with wildfire, including the threat to destroy kings landing with it. It also makes Jamie not only a kingslayer but a kinslayer and (like Tyrion) the killer of his own father. And It makes Tywin's only biological heir the dwarf he despised.. Jamie should similarly be forced into the decision of killing his sister Cersei to save the kingdom from her madness (making him a cursed and tragic hero responsible for two kinslayings to save the kingdom at great personal cost.

One of the three potential promised "princes" must be the one to kill the nightking: Snow, Danys, or Jamie. If it is Jamie the empowerment of his weapon would be accomplished by the blood of Cersei on his blade.


Posted by Spelt it rong
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 1:15 pm to
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queenslayer

ISWYDT
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 1:38 pm to
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The White walkers ignore Winterfell and go right past it to King's Landing, pantsing everyone.

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Dany doesn't go apeshit. She also doesn't lose her supporting cast since that was stupid.
quote:

Jon and Dany restart the Targaryen dynasty and unify the kingdom, although the north still keeps its sort of independence.
I'm leaning this way
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Bran sits down with Jon and tells him what his dad was really like and who he was
See, I don't get any of what Bran ultimately did. He's supposed to be wise and aware of things...

He should sit on that knowledge, for the greater good. Dany and Jon are the ideal rulers of Westeros; they each have multiple strong points in their favor.

Dany has immense military resources, including the decisive air power. She also has a very strong "for the people" attitude, that should be a factor in mending the wounds of the 7 Kingdoms.

Jon has insight and an innate leadership gift. He sees what is truly important, and focuses on that. He also has the ability to tame Dany's temper, and guide her hand on policies, as well as interactions with various players.

"incest" at that level, among real historical kingdoms with that level of industrial development, was actually a normal thing. They aren't brother-sister, they are aunt-nephew and never even knew it. The only true drawback would be weakened genetic offspring, but it was widely understood Dany wasn't going to have more kids, and a resurrected Jon might not be able to either; so that's a non-issue.
It's kind of a creepy concept to "promote" on a major television show, but when you objectively consider how much modern society is pushing gay and trans stuff, it's actually kinda tame in comparison.
Posted by Crow Pie
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 1:43 pm to
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Jon Snow killing the Night King, becoming King of the North, Dany not going bat shite but still killing the Lannisters and taking over Westeros except the North
Add in a very painful, prolonged death for Cersi, anything redeeming about three-eyed crow boy and Sam and I'll ride the dragon with you to the end.
Posted by cattus
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 2:02 pm to
Well, a novel idea for an ending and ruler would have been to let the people vote. No?


Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 5:08 pm to
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The Hound confronts and kills his undead brother using fire. Fire was the weapon the Mountain scarred him with, the Hound fears, and his brother is vulnerable to

Jamie and Cersei are revealed to be the children of the mad king. This explains Cersei's obsession with wildfire, including the threat to destroy kings landing with it. It also makes Jamie not only a kingslayer but a kinslayer and (like Tyrion) the killer of his own father. And It makes Tywin's only biological heir the dwarf he despised.. Jamie should similarly be forced into the decision of killing his sister Cersei to save the kingdom from her madness (making him a cursed and tragic hero responsible for two kinslayings to save the kingdom at great personal cost.

One of the three potential promised "princes" must be the one to kill the nightking: Snow, Danys, or Jamie. If it is Jamie the empowerment of his weapon would be accomplished by the blood of Cersei on his blade.


Throw in a 5 episode battle with the white walkers.
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 5:32 pm to
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You want Bran to get the throne? Maybe don’t show us how dumb and wooden he is for a season and a half before giving it to him. Give us a GLIMPSE of him being rational, compassionate, or a leader or whatever you can to make it make sense. Don’t just randomly name him at the end of the series out of fricking nowhere.



this was the biggest problem imo. literally the worst. he mentioned a couple times he wasnt going for the throne even...but then he's like why do you think I came all this way? bc he was fleeing everything until the end, not for the throne.

that made me wish the night king won and everyone died except euron who just took to the seas until winter ended.
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