re: How can DC get things so wrong, and Marvel get them so right?

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But because one of those franchises happened to be the MCU, you guys came in and straight up gang raped me.

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It's not "just because it's Marvel." You're saying stupid or dishonest things.

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My most neutral and sincere post in this thread has three dislikes and zero likes. You guys are a freaking cult.

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Keep playing the victim card. It's totally working.

SM:Homecoming

7.6/10

Winter Soldier

7.6/10

Dr. Strange

7.3/10

Guardians 1

7.8/10

So, according to RT:

Civil War was as good as SM:H and CA:WS. Guardians was better than both.


I mean, since critics affect your movie enjoyment to such a level. . .

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Agreed

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So you're just the opposite side of the same coin then. Because if you look at this thread objectively, Rolltide deserves the hate he is getting.

The only reason you're agreeing with him is Marvel vs DC.

I think Marvel movies are way too hokey, but they want parents to bring their kids and kids love superheroes.

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how many people actually think these films are top tier film making.

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Like who?

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Even if they are the same movie (which they aren't), Batman Begins was the first to do it. It has the originality, Dr. Strange is the boring carbon copy.

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Batman begins took the Iron Fist origin story, and said. . ."Yes. . . all of that."

So if we are talking rip offs. . .

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Even if they are the same movie (which they aren't), Batman Begins was the first to do it. It has the originality, Dr. Strange is the boring carbon copy.

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This is why people think you are trolling.

Batman Begins did not create the origin story, full stop. And neither did Nolan. The story that Batman Begins, Dr. Strange, Iron Man all tell, are very close to their comic book counterparts, told in very similar ways on a different medium. Take it further, those comic books were inspired by literature and oral myth.

While BB and Strange are the same film, Strange did not copy BB. That is a dumb assertion.

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All Phase Two films. Phase Three is what is being discussed.

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So wait, you are saying that Civil War, Dr. Strange, GotG Vol 2, and Spider-Man Homecoming are carbon copies of each other?

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I probably only watch 20-30 films a year. So they're hitting that mark anywhere between 33%-75% of the time for me. But then again....I try not to waste my money on shitty movies. Why go see Wish Upon, a movie I know is going to be horrible, when I can see Dunkirk, a movie that I might end up liking?

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Your watching habits have nothing to do with the general amount of films in any given year that hit high marks in the characteristics of film. My point is, how many projects of this scope and size can nail every single detail? Not many. And it isn't surprising when films don't. Nor do they need to.

I don't want a Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail that has great cinematography and great acting. That would ruin the film. Literally. You have to take a film as it is, as the creative team wants you to take it. I don't want, or need, Civil War to have the motional impact of Schindler's List. I don't read comic books for the deep introspective understanding of good and evil like Crime and Punishment.

Nor am I upset when Frank Miller's writing (reading his Daredevil run right now) isn't as eloquent as Shakespeare. And I don't hold it against him.

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Seeing as I probably rank Winter Soldier as my second or third favorite comic book movie of all-time, you obviously have me pegged wrong.

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That's fine, but you've said that a comic book movie that doesn't feel like a comic book movie is the best comic book movie, and will never be topped.

This means this is the standard you are holding all comic book movies to. So, logically, you want the best of comic book movies to not feel like comic book movies. To that point, WS is probably the MCU film that feels the least like a comic book movie.

So yes, the idea that you value reality over "comic book-ness" seems valid.

First off, I think people really fail to appreciate how radical Dr Strange is as a superhero film. It builds to a climax that is won not through an action setpiece, but literally by the refusal to engage in action. It is a repudiation of punching your way through problems, or the final act of every comic book film.

In fact, one of the best things about the MCU films is that they have this template that all the films use, so everyone tends to assume they are boring carbon copies, so they instead smuggle in some radical ideas (Iron Man 3 doesn't have Iron Man in it, Thor 2 is a meta-comedy which makes fun of the whole genre, Dr. Strange advocates superhero pacifism, Ant-Man has an avant garde sequence...) They can smuggle in these cool things because we cling to the traditional structure.

But really, the difference between MCU and DECU is simple: Marvel respects the source material and DC doesn't. DC films do everything they can to distance themselves from the comics, and ignore a half century worth of stories, while Marvel glories in their comic book nature, and lifts plots wholesale.

DC films are for people who don't like comic books. Which is fine, but an odd tact for a studio in the business of adapting comic books to the screen.

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But really, the difference between MCU and DECU is simple: Marvel respects the source material and DC doesn't. DC films do everything they can to distance themselves from the comics, and ignore a half century worth of stories, while Marvel glories in their comic book nature, and lifts plots wholesale.

DC films are for people who don't like comic books. Which is fine, but an odd tact for a studio in the business of adapting comic books to the screen.

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I think this nails it, tbh