How can DC get things so wrong, and Marvel get them so right?

Marvel took a blueprint, that evolved into a formula, which evolved into a science.

Like I said in the other thread, they have the personnel and the patience.

Even if Marvel made a film that was utter trash, they would stay the course and not deviate from their vision.

Warner Brothers is trying to fight too many people, fan feedback, Studio involvement, and director vision.

Except there are four Marvel films that have outgrossed the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises.

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I feel as if you ignored half of my statement. 

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In my response yeah, but there's only one real great movie out of that trilogy, and it hasn't really aged at all that well.

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Is it just that Kevin Feige is better than Snyder?

Has to be more than that, doesn't it?

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Not really. Snyder doesn't understand comics at all. Kevin Smith once said it really seems as if Snyder has only read one comic book and it was "The Dark Knight Returns".

I don't see anything remotely from the comics in Man of Steel. It was clearly entirely reactionary to Superman Returns. He wanted to make the exact opposite of that movie... and he succeeded, which is not a good thing.

And their animation department is top notch. Why didn't they go in house and get Bruce Timm to plan all this out? If they had brought in Bruce Timm from the start, we wouldn't be getting the retardation of kicking off a cinematic universe using The Dark Knight Returns.

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Does Marvel really get it right?

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Depends on what your definition of "right" is.

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I find both franchises to be lacking in many different areas, whether they be story, cast, or character.

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You mean none of these films nail every bit of film excellence? Those are some high expectations.

How many films per year can you say nail story, cast, writing, characters, cinematography, acting, etc.?

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Comic book films reached their peak with The Dark Knight Trilogy. We'll never see anything approaching their quality or box office success again. At least not in this genre.

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Comic Book films reached their peak with a film that tried to distance itself from everything comic books are?

Theres a lot of Marvel apologists on this board dude. Marvel films 'OMG' best thing ever

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Theres a lot of Marvel apologists on this board dude. Marvel films 'OMG' best thing ever

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Again, not really. There are a lot of people who grew up with loving comic books and have an interest in films. That's all this is. As I said in another thread, the core of my beef with DC is the constant Joker and Batman stroking with no regard for super interesting characters that I enjoy. Batman and Joker are relatively boring with the amount of times they've been on film and television. DC takes no risks, and they aren't using some very unique and interesting characters.

I do find this comment funny. because it aligns with RollTide's comment:

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I find both franchises to be lacking in many different areas, whether they be story, cast, or character.

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What it has always seemed like is that when someone says "I like [insert Marvel movie here]! It was super fun and a great movie" some of you will automatically convert this to meaning the person thinks the film has a great cast, great writing, amazing cinematography, world class acting, should be nominated for best picture, etc. This is why the films are always compared to TDK/Nolanverse, see above.

Then, debates get off track because those same folks interpreting "fun and a great movie," as meaning an actual great, once in a lifetime achievement in film, then find the one chink and are like "AHA, you're just a Marvel fanboy because you think this is great, but the acting isn't that good! Or because the story is a little off in structure!" And so forth.

So, some people will create this "Marvel apologist" fantasy rather than understand what people mean.

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The Dark Knight Trilogy.

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Most over-rated trilogy of all-time

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Well you said quality OR box office success.

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Did I? Might want to check again.

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How can DC get things so wrong, and Marvel get them so right?

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At first, they caught magic in that they smartly gave a chance to RDJ and Favreau. Had that not been cast so perfectly and hit all the right notes, none of this may have materialized. Keep in mind...The Incredible Hulk was only ok at best, and that starred Edward Norton. without that first Iron Man success... The Nick Fury thing at the tail end of Iron Man was just an Easter Egg really, as at that point they had no clue what would eventually come. Same goes for tying them together with RDJ's appearance in the after credits of Hulk. But...those tidbits, in movies that resonated, were big in setting up the joined universe.

Second...they never seemed to be ashamed of the source materials. They seemed to make the assumption that if comic books had been this wildly popular ll this time why reinvent the wheel? Sure...there were some changes, but no one ever said anything remotely like what people said about Superman and Batman in the DCEU.

Feige was a great caretaker of the above, helping to ensure that the whole universe stayed on track once they got going.

Snyder was the very worst choice they could have made in terms of setting the tone for the DCEU. The guy openly disliked and misunderstood Superman, and yet they turn to him to kick off their universe. Made no sense, and anyone that had ever seen any of his movies should have known this. Now...could he have been the guy to have done the stand alone Batman movie within the DCEU once they got going and already set the tone and look? Yeah...maybe, because Batman lends itself to washed out tones and darkness.

And...while I've come around to thinking it COULD have been done successfully the way DC has tried (jumping straight into JL rather than the slower build up like Marvel did) what they ended up doing was just terrible. One stand alone origin story they fricked with the origin, and then Dark Knight Returns AND Death of Superman...in one movie. Oh...throw in Wonder Woman too.