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re: House of the Dragon: S2 Episode 8 “The Queen Who Ever Was.” (SPOILERS)
Posted on 8/6/24 at 1:19 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 8/6/24 at 1:19 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Condal previously likened the second season of House of the Dragon to the "middle run of Game of Thrones", explaining that the slower-paced first season invested time in the characters to allow for more "spectacle" in the follow-up.
In reality what happened is that the slower paced first season allowed for an even slower paced second season without much spectacle or character development at all.
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 1:20 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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he felt the story would benefit from a short episode count as it would ensure better pacing
Who wants to tell him?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 1:20 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Some stuff here seems to contradict that
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(Spoilers extended) What we know about HOTD Season 2's episode cutback
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Hello, in wake of the strange and unsatisfying ending for Season 2, I've decided to collect what we know about the episode cutback decision.
1. It wasn't the showrunners' choice
[Executive Producer Sara] Hess declines to comment on the reduced season 2 order from 10 episodes to eight, but notes, "It wasn't really our choice."
2. The scripts were done by January 2023
Writing for season 2 had reportedly started by May 2022. Hess told Entertainment Weekly that the scripts were done by January 2023.
3. The switch to 8 episodes was first reported by Deadline in March 2023
The upcoming second season of HBO‘s House of the Dragon will consist of eight episodes... I hear the initial plan was for another 10-episode arc, which eventually changed, leading to some script rewrites.
It is not clear exactly when the cutback was finalized (this is just when news of it became public). Note that this places the cutback before the writers' strike, which began in May 2023. The strike was, however, widely anticipated then, and the prospect of it may have disincentivized the showrunners from doing a more major overhaul of what had already been written, since that could mean a production shutdown for the duration of the strike.
4. Deadline's sources pointed to corporate leadership's focus on cost-cutting (while an HBO spokesperson claimed, implausibly, that it was story driven)
Given the leadership change at HBO’s parent company, some pointed at Warner Bros. Discovery leadership’s focus on cost-cutting. An HBO spokesperson, who confirmed to Deadline that Season 2 will contain 8 episodes, stressed that the episode count trim was story-driven.
5. Deadline reported that "a major battle" was moved to Season 3
a portion of the plot originally intended for Season 2, including a major battle, moving to Season 3
EDIT: 6. Condal confirmed this battle is the Gullet and he pushed it back partly due to "resources"
In new comments after the finale, Condal offered a more politic take than Hess. He says the change was partly due to an effort to "rebalance" the remaining events across future seasons, but he also implies they wouldn't have had the budget to do the Gullet the way they wanted if it stayed in S2.
When you’re as a showrunner, you’re always in the position of having to balance storytelling and the resources that you have available to tell that story. One of the things that came into play in season two is: What is the final destination of the series and where are we going? It was a combination of factors that led us to rebalance the season knowing now where we’re going. We wanted to rebalance the story in such a way that we had three great seasons of television [after season one] to round out and tell this story. When you’re trying to mount the show, which requires a tremendous amount of resources, construction, armor, costumes, visual effects … we are trying to give The Gullet — which is arguably the second most anticipated action event of Fire & Blood — trying to give it the time and the space that it deserves.... We just wanted to have the time and the space to do that at a level that is going to excite and satisfy the fans in the way it’s deserved.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 1:51 pm to Corinthians420
anyone with common sense sees that they intended to end with the big naval battle and a major character death. There would have been prelude (which we got), battle and aftermath.
so two more episodes (the 2 that were cut). I don’t blame the showrunners at all for this
so two more episodes (the 2 that were cut). I don’t blame the showrunners at all for this
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:01 pm to cgrand
Just came in here to tag on and say what a steaming pile of shite this season was. Maybe 30 minutes of good television in the entire season. I don't care about any of these characters and the writers don't do anything to get you invested in them. It's just scene jumps back and forth to different sets with dialogue between characters that don't mean anything and don't advance the story. I feel like there is no defined protagonist or antagonist... and if there is, I have no idea who is what. And honestly the characters all suck so much I don't know if I care.
Otto Hightower and Aegon are probably the two best actors/characters in the show and they reduced their screentime to nothing. I understand it's part of the story but come on.
The worst part is I don't think it's going to get any better. If you watched the behind the show recap after the episode, the writers and directors all think they created some brilliant masterpiece. They are all sniffing their own farts.
I saw another post on here that summed it up best (paraphrasing): you know it's gone to shite if on a Game of Thrones based show we got the hottest chick on the show floating in water with a white bedsheet on and we can't even see a nipple
Otto Hightower and Aegon are probably the two best actors/characters in the show and they reduced their screentime to nothing. I understand it's part of the story but come on.
The worst part is I don't think it's going to get any better. If you watched the behind the show recap after the episode, the writers and directors all think they created some brilliant masterpiece. They are all sniffing their own farts.
I saw another post on here that summed it up best (paraphrasing): you know it's gone to shite if on a Game of Thrones based show we got the hottest chick on the show floating in water with a white bedsheet on and we can't even see a nipple
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:06 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
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Maybe 30 minutes of good television in the entire season
I don't understand what some of you are expecting. The book fire and blood was a painstakingly slow drag going deeper and deeper into the family trees and interweavings of the politics of the dance.
The show is called house of the dragon, not the dance of dragons
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:35 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:38 pm to Corinthians420
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The book fire and blood was a painstakingly slow drag going deeper and deeper into the family trees and interweavings of the politics of the dance.
Not the chapters on the dance. Those were event after event. Look I don't agree that only 30 minutes of the whole season was good but they clearly had budget issues and stretched out a bunch of nonsense so they could film the expensive battles next season. The main issue is that they had a chance to develop characters but missed the mark. Hopefully they don't run into similar budget issues going forward because there is a lot of action in the story to come.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:40 pm to Corinthians420
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I don't understand what some of you are expecting. The book fire and blood was a painstakingly slow drag going deeper and deeper into the family trees and interweavings of the politics of the dance.
I mean, I understand that point, but this is television, not the book. Most people are not investing in watching a show to match the pace of reading a book, or they would just read the book. I want to see a faster pace, more action, things that I don't get from reading. Condense the timeline and make things happen. It's not too much to ask.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:44 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
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Condense the timeline and make things happen. It's not too much to ask.
This wasn't even necessary because the book moves at a pretty fast pace. They actually severely slowed down the pace of the book to push the Gullet to season 3.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:45 pm to Corinthians420
You can keep defending it, and it doesnt matter who was really at fault.
It was a shite season finale and from an entertainment perspective the season fell short.
It was a shite season finale and from an entertainment perspective the season fell short.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:49 pm to More beer please
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You can keep defending it, and it doesnt matter who was really at fault.
It was a shite season finale and from an entertainment perspective the season fell short.
And you can keep attacking it, doesn't change the fact it is still the best show on tv and season 2 was really strong.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:52 pm to blueboy
I got my hopes up, like an idiot, that this episode would be great. Oh well.
I'll still watch season 3 but that was so disappointing.
I'll still watch season 3 but that was so disappointing.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:56 pm to Corinthians420
All of which can still be true
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:59 pm to Corinthians420
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Some stuff here seems to contradict that
Really the only thing that contracted it is what the executive producer said right? The showrunner doesn't really say that. When you try and interpret the showrunner and the executive producers comments together, to me it makes it seem a little bit to do with budget.
But their budget was quite a but more per episode than season 8 of Game of Thrones. I know things are more expensive now but season 8 of Game of Thrones had major battles that they pulled off with their budget. This season of HotD had a relatively small amount of stuff happen compared to GoT S8. Like not even close.
Seems to me that they might just be doing less with more than they were being held back. Just one way to look at it. Especially if you just take what the showrunner said and not the producer.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:05 pm to Corinthians420
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And you can keep attacking it, doesn't change the fact it is still the best show on tv
That was airing at the same time, sure. Not even close to being the best show of 2024, which is pretty sad.
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season 2 was really strong.
Yea this just isn't true at all. It sounds like I hated it, I didn't, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the book. But this season was a let down. This isn't some Disney review bombing situation, most people that watch this show have been pretty fair in their critiques and ratings throughout and it's those same people that have been very fair in their reviews that are critical of this season overall.
What was really strong about it?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:12 pm to Corinthians420
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the best show on tv
Season 1 sure. Maybe when its all said and one it will be viewed as such as well. BUT:
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season 2 was really strong.
Is objectively false. You just keep saying its good and giving excuses as to why they only had 8 episodes but you don't give any specifics of what you liked. Can you explain what characters or parts of the story they developed in season 2 that is either as good or better than the books? Because I can't think of any.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:15 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
This season was not good
And the one character that could sort of steal a scene (Daemon) was turned into an emo bitch
And the one character that could sort of steal a scene (Daemon) was turned into an emo bitch
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:27 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
All of the stuff with Hugh the Hammer and Alyn and Lord Corylss are really good.
I do think Hugh may end up betraying Rhaenyra although I would rather that not happen.
Ulf is just a drunk Targ bastard, he reminds me of Bronn/Tyrion in that he just wants to drink and frick (although less fighting).
The stuff with Daemon being basically neutered by the Riverlords was pretty great as well. He even threatened to burn them alive and they didn't care. He even said something like "I didn't think theyd be so eager to die". Despite all the bullshite he has to put up with, he does his duty and DOES gather an army in the Riverlands. Then he sees the weirwood visions and commits his cause to Rhaenyra's in earnest
The Red Sowing and Rooks Rest episodes were obviously action packed and Rooks Rest was the biggest spectacle, but Blood & Cheese started the season off with a bang and Aegons response created problems for the crown the rest of the season.
Jace showed throughout the season that he may be the smartest one in the room when it comes to understanding the politics of the realm..
Alicent on the other hand is finally paying the price for her father's ambition (as is he it seems).
Her acting in the final scenes with rhaenyra was incredible, she has finally accepted that she isn't escaping this and has nothing left except a son that is broken, a son that has no love in his heart for her, and a daughter who is barely hanging on. She is willing to give anything to just try to save just her daughter. I think she realizes she was wrong about Viserys final words.
I can't wait to rewatch but will probably give it a month for the episodes I have already watched multiple times.
I do think Hugh may end up betraying Rhaenyra although I would rather that not happen.
Ulf is just a drunk Targ bastard, he reminds me of Bronn/Tyrion in that he just wants to drink and frick (although less fighting).
The stuff with Daemon being basically neutered by the Riverlords was pretty great as well. He even threatened to burn them alive and they didn't care. He even said something like "I didn't think theyd be so eager to die". Despite all the bullshite he has to put up with, he does his duty and DOES gather an army in the Riverlands. Then he sees the weirwood visions and commits his cause to Rhaenyra's in earnest
The Red Sowing and Rooks Rest episodes were obviously action packed and Rooks Rest was the biggest spectacle, but Blood & Cheese started the season off with a bang and Aegons response created problems for the crown the rest of the season.
Jace showed throughout the season that he may be the smartest one in the room when it comes to understanding the politics of the realm..
Alicent on the other hand is finally paying the price for her father's ambition (as is he it seems).
Her acting in the final scenes with rhaenyra was incredible, she has finally accepted that she isn't escaping this and has nothing left except a son that is broken, a son that has no love in his heart for her, and a daughter who is barely hanging on. She is willing to give anything to just try to save just her daughter. I think she realizes she was wrong about Viserys final words.
I can't wait to rewatch but will probably give it a month for the episodes I have already watched multiple times.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:27 pm to Cosmo
That was a good episode of HOTD but a bad season finale.
No idea why they thought making this season only 8 episodes was a good idea.
I mean they have all the source material to a fantastic universe and they want to make less content.
Make it make sense.
No idea why they thought making this season only 8 episodes was a good idea.
I mean they have all the source material to a fantastic universe and they want to make less content.
Make it make sense.
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