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re: House of the Dragon: S2 Episode 8 “The Queen Who Ever Was.” (SPOILERS)
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:06 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:06 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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that there are real reasons to criticize this season and its not just because "everyone wants to bitch."
Yet I still see people bitching about things that make no sense to bitch about, such as saying that the night king in daemon's vision doesn't look like the night king.
Maybe because it isn't the night king?! Haha
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:07 am to blueboy
Say something nice about this episode:
The cinematography, as usual for the series, is absolutely fantastic.
It's a disappointing end to the season, but the final montage would be epic if it weren't tainted by the watcher thinking "please tell me this isn't the end of the season" the whole time they're watching it. I feel like I can't bash it too hard 'cause if it were the penultimate episode teeing up the finale I'd be all jacked up on Mountain Dew waiting for Santa to come next week.
The final cut scene of Alicent looking out over the Gullet? Come on.
The cinematography, as usual for the series, is absolutely fantastic.
It's a disappointing end to the season, but the final montage would be epic if it weren't tainted by the watcher thinking "please tell me this isn't the end of the season" the whole time they're watching it. I feel like I can't bash it too hard 'cause if it were the penultimate episode teeing up the finale I'd be all jacked up on Mountain Dew waiting for Santa to come next week.
The final cut scene of Alicent looking out over the Gullet? Come on.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 10:11 am
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:08 am to DestrehanTiger
I will say that the introduction of new characters in this episode and with all the setup, I truly think the producers meant for it to be an 10 ep season. Think about it. The Gullet as episode 9 and then a fallout ep 10 would have made this season very very good
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 10:09 am
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:11 am to Corinthians420
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We still have 2 seasons to go
I know that.. That doesn't change the fact that they did nothing with him in season two.
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You can't say the character did nothing, his story isn't over. That's like saying reviving Jon at the end of an episode didn't matter because he didn't do anything.
That's not even remotely a good comparison :Jon died in the very final scene of the season and had done a ton of stuff leading up to that, he was a great character even if you based him on season 4 alone. Daemon was essentially dead for the entire season and revived in the final scene. Literally the complete opposite type of characters
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Im enjoying the fleshing out of the characters, we already know how the war ends.
Glad you're enjoying it. I can see why someone would like it, but I don't see why it's so hard for you to grasp that people are disappointed that Daemon was wasted this season. I am not trying to say that he will not do anything in the future, but that has nothing to do with what they did with him this season.
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I also didn't mind the rest of the season's scenes in Harrenhal. The witch of Harrenhal was a character from the books I've always wanted to learn more of.
What did you learn about her?
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I'm in no rush for the show to end. I wish they were gonna do more than 4 seasons.
I would 100% be fine with more than 4 seasons, if they knew how to write better filler and develop characters better.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:11 am to Draco Malfoy
Am I the only person who just realized that sharako lohar is portrayed by a tranny man pretending to be a woman?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:11 am to Corinthians420
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such as saying that the night king in daemon's vision doesn't look like the night king.
The only night king post I saw was simply asking if the vision implied that Daemon would be the Night King...
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:14 am to JumpingTheShark
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Am I the only person who just realized that sharako lohar is portrayed by a tranny man pretending to be a woman?
Must be why it wasn't very believable. A man pretending to be a woman pretending to be a pirate. INCEPTION!
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:14 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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The only night king post I saw was simply asking if the vision implied that Daemon would be the Night King...
People were bitching about it all over Twitter and Reddit with the classic "oh they just forgot" the night king had spikes and not hair
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:15 am to Draco Malfoy
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I will say that the introduction of new characters in this episode and with all the setup, I truly think the producers meant for it to be an 10 ep season. Think about it. The Gullet as episode 9 and then a fallout ep 10 would have made this season very very good
I agree 100%. They realized the budget issues and decided to punt the actual penultimate and finally to season 3.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:16 am to iwyLSUiwy
Just like season 3 of Westworld.
Two big stars are Man in Black and Bernard. What did the showrunners do but keep them off screen for the most part until the last two episodes.
And the audience lost interest too.
Two big stars are Man in Black and Bernard. What did the showrunners do but keep them off screen for the most part until the last two episodes.
And the audience lost interest too.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:18 am to Corinthians420
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People were bitching about it all over Twitter and Reddit with the classic "oh they just forgot" the night king had spikes and not hair
Well people on twitter are stupid. It doesn't mean there was nothing to complain about. When something is disappointing the minor flaws and even perceived flaws become more apparent.
If a team wins a game, no one nit picks the play calling. But if they lose, everyone has an opinion on that 3rd down play call that perceivably lost the game.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:19 am to Bert Macklin FBI
It seems HBO made that decision for them. Makes sense that the Gullet would be 9 and then we would've had an episode after it in typical game of thrones fashion. I think it was a stupid decision by HBO but doesn't change my opinion of the other episodes that 9 and 10 got chopped off. Nothing the writers could do about that.
Im also sorry that others werent able to enjoy the 8 episodes we did get as much as I did. I'm a book reader so maybe i just enjoy slow pacing.
Im also sorry that others werent able to enjoy the 8 episodes we did get as much as I did. I'm a book reader so maybe i just enjoy slow pacing.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 10:23 am
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:29 am to JumpingTheShark
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Am I the only person who just realized that sharako lohar is portrayed by a tranny man pretending to be a woman?
Every time he/she was on screen, I kept thinking something didn't seem right. I couldn't tell if this was a woman pretending to be a man or a man pretending to be a woman.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:32 am to Corinthians420
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I'm a book reader so maybe i just enjoy slow pacing.
I also read the book and they didn't hit many plot points in this season. It was a lot of filler and not particularly good filler either. There isn't a single character from the book that we know much more about than what was written. In fact the only thing they really did was weaken some of the strong characters from the book. Rhaenyra isn't really the boss bitch she was mad out to be. SHe is cautious and indecisive instead of vengeful and vindictive. Alicent is also much weaker than her book character. We have talked enough about Daemon. Criston Cole is an emo, whiny baby instead of a bad arse warrior. Alyn of Hull is also a whiny bitch instead of the bad arse he is in the book. We learned nothing new about Alys Rivers despite her getting tons of screen time.
I'll give you Addam of Hull is cool but they did a poor job of developing the Dragonseeds as a whole. We really don't know much about them other than the superficial.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 10:33 am
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:34 am to Corinthians420
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People were bitching about it all over Twitter and Reddit with the classic "oh they just forgot" the night king had spikes and not hair
So just casual fans. Of course some casuals are going to have bad takes on twitter and reddit. Doesn't mean there aren't legit complaints.
I just read a pretty well written episode recap from NPR. Guy doesn't bash the show at all but you can clearly see his annoyance in the finale and season overall. Pretty good read actually. LINK
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On the road from King’s Landing to Harrenhal, Criston Cole is even mopier and moonier than baseline. He’s told Ser Gwayne that he’s slept with his sister the Queen, and Gwayne’s anger causes Criston to wax faux-poetic about honor and desire and dragons. “We march towards our annihilation,” he says. And millions of TV viewers whisper “From your mouth…” in unison.
I just want him to die so bad. Get his awful character off my TV screen. quote:
Over at Harrenhal, the Riverlords armies are mustering, and Daemon is doing a West(eros) Wing walk-and-talk with Ser Alfred Broome. You remember him – he was the pouty jamoke on Rhaenyra’s Small Council who was always second-guessing her, so she sent him off to check in on Daemon.
Didn't expect someone to have another West Wing comparison. So I'm not alone in that complaint.
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Let’s check in on Rhaena for an update: Desperately seeking dragon. Still. Again. Some more.
[img]Ulf has the table manners of the Steward of Gondor.[/img]
Such a good comparison
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Rhaena: Still looking. Spots a dragon in the distance, yes, but: Still looking, looking still.
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She frets to Mysaria about what she will be unleashing when the dragons go to war, which is the one note that her character has been hammering away at all season long. Could have sworn she was done with all this hand-wringing after her wildly improbable meet up with Alicent earlier in the season, or else what was all that for?
Alicent, her aim is true
Speaking of! Guess who’s come knock-knock-knocking on Dragonstone’s door! Why, it’s Alicent, of course! Because the show has built itself around the characters of Alicent and Rhaenyra, it has to keep finding excuses for them to get together, regardless of any minor distractions like, for example, reality. And logic. And storytelling.
Pretty great recap of the final montage...
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All that’s missing is some hair-metal on the soundtrack
We get a “Dragonriders Suiting Up” montage straight out of a Schwarzenegger movie – tight shots of jerkins and greaves and pauldrons and whatnot.
We see the Hightower army on the march, as Tessarion(!) flies overhead. He’s being ridden by Daeron, one assumes, though they haven’t cast an actor for that role yet, so for now we get a teeny CGI rider. Team Green One standing by.
We see the Stark army marching across the Twins. (Remember the season premiere? When Cregan Stark pledged a handful of graybeards to Jacaerys? Well, they’re here now, and those beards are very, very gray indeed.) (They say an army travels on its stomach – this one travels on its orthopedic inserts.) Team Green Two standing by.
We see the Lannister army, in their fancy golden armor, nearing Harrenhal. Team Green Three standing by.
'House Of The Dragon' Season 2 makes it Rhaen(yra)
Listen to Glen talk about this season of House of the Dragon on Pop Culture Happy Hour with producer Hafsa Fathima and NPR's Nikki Birch.
We see Tyland Lannister and Sharako Lohar’s fleet sailing toward Rhaenyra’s blockade. Team Green Four standing by.
We see Aegon and Larys sneaking out of King’s Landing in a raven wagon. (Look, I don’t know what you call it. It’s a wagon, and it’s filled with ravens.) Team Green Five, ducking out.
We also see Daemon stepping out of Harrenhal and surveying his troops. Team Black One, standing by.
Corlys and Alyn sail out to their fleet’s newly rechristened flagship, The Queen Who Never Was. Team Black Two, standing by.
Interspersed with all that, a quick shot of Otto Hightower, waking up in what looks to be a prison cell?
And, yes, finally, Rhaena. Finding her dragon. What a twist. Never saw it coming. I’m sure you were all on tenterhooks.
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Parting Thoughts
Well that was a strangely muted, talky episode for a season finale, wasn’t it? Sure, it resolved some of the season’s central conflicts – Daemon’s ambition, Alicent’s aimlessness – but after last week’s barn-burner (and serf-burner) of an episode, this season climax qualifies as anti-.
I should just steel myself for many, many more scenes of Alicent and Rhaenyra getting together, shouldn’t I? Even when circumstances, not to mention all laws of God and Man, would logically prevent it? Like at the height of some battle, Rhaenyra looks down from raining fire on a brace of hapless soldiers only to see Alicent waving at her from behind a tree all “Psst! Rhae-Rhae! Can I steal you away for a minute?”
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:38 am to JumpingTheShark
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Am I the only person who just realized that sharako lohar is portrayed by a tranny man pretending to be a woman?
I was wondering because of the deep voice. Makes a little more sense of why the show runners chose to single that actor out to give extra praise despite being a terribly acted and awful character overall.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:39 am to Sus-Scrofa
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Me theory. In the books, the Lannister who they focused on in the finale ends up in the dungeon for a long time, tortured, disfigured, but he lives.
He goes on to serve as hand to the winners and serves the realm, seemingly forgetting the fight they just had and who was on what side.
Otto is much more interesting in this series, so instead of just having Rhaenera’s side kill him when they get him, I bet he’s going to fill that role.
They can just kill off that Lannister in the Gullet, which makes sense since they have him on the boat.
Interesting, so do you think he's already in Rhaenyra's dungeon, potentially caught via Corlys' blockade when he was trying to get across the Narrow Sea to do what Tyland has been doing?
I guess it makes sense, but Larys said in this episode that he socked away something like 2/3 of the crown's gold in Essos. The reason why Tyland was tortured was because Rhenyra knew that he knew where the gold was, because he was the one who put the gold away in the book. I guess they can just swap that part of the story as well though
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:49 am to Epic Cajun
quote:he said he socked away the gold from harrenhal, which confirmed what Simon strong told daemon earlier.
but Larys said in this episode that he socked away something like 2/3 of the crown's gold in Essos.
I don’t think that gold is the “crown’s gold” of the book
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:52 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Couldn't watch Sunday so just watched last night. I don't know what the general opinion was for the the board because I haven't read the thread yet, but for me, that was an absolute dud of a finale. What a bummer.
I guess the showrunners felt that episode 4/dragon fight was enough excitement to hold them over for an entire season but it wasn't. They are moving at too slow of a pace and not giving the audience enough to enjoy while they build up to bigger events. As a whole, it felt like very little happened and they almost made you not want to root for anyone now because they all are so boring.
It's not that it is bad television and I certainly don't need a bunch of action, but HotD is not supposed to be The West Wing level of dialogue.
The issue for me isn't even the lack of action, the first couple of seasons of GoT were pretty dialogue filled and more of a political drama than an action packed show. It's that the character development just sucks, I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't care if any of these characters were killed, I just don't have any sort of emotional attachment to them. And with the lack of action, that's what they should be attempting to develop. I just feel like they failed. In GoT you cared when Ned was killed, you hated Joffrey because he was a bratty little bitch, you were sad for Sansa for having to deal with Joffrey, you thought Arya was a funny little rebellious kid, you think Tyrion is great for his insight and how he treats Joffrey/Cersei. I'm on season 2 of a rewatch of GoT and there are at least a dozen characters that I would rank above the best character in HotD.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:57 am to Epic Cajun
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It's that the character development just sucks, I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't care if any of these characters were killed, I just don't have any sort of emotional attachment to them.
This is the biggest issue. The characters all suck. In the books, most characters aren't necessarily likeable but they are badasses. In the show they are neither likeable nor badasses.
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