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re: House of the Dragon: S2 Episode 8 “The Queen Who Ever Was.” (SPOILERS)
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:31 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:31 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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That was a good episode of HOTD but a bad season finale.
No idea why they thought making this season only 8 episodes was a good idea.
I mean they have all the source material to a fantastic universe and they want to make less content.
Make it make sense.
It was most likely due to budget issues and writers strike.
The good news is they were debating between 3 and 4 seasons and pushing back gulltown guaranteed they will do 4 seasons.
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:37 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Can you explain what characters or parts of the story they developed in season 2 that is either as good or better than the books? Because I can't think of any.
well they don't have to develop characters better than in the books for it to be considered a good season of TV.
I mean this season was ALL about character development at the detriment to action.
Daemon, Rhaenyra, Alicent, Jace, Alyn, Addam, Ulf, Hugh, Rhaena all had character development this season.
Daemon got the closure with his brother and has finally realized he doesn't want the crown he wants to support Rhaenyra.
Rhaenyra finally learned how to be a leader.
Alicent realized she made the most frick up of frick ups and is willing to sacrifice her own kid to un-do it and peace the frick out with her daughter and grandson.
Jace is learning the political game real quick.
Addam finally has purpose in his life he's been seeking.
Alyn is basically The Fresh Prince he don't need his dad!
Hugh gambled on his literal life to be in a position to provide for his wife.
Ulf shite talking his way into a dragon rider was fun as well.
Rhaena as we will see was about to claim Sheepstealer and finally found her purpose in life.
The plot moved slowly but did advance to where it needed to be just not for 8 episodes.
Overall it was a solid season, but when comparing it to season 1 it's below par.
A bad season of HOTD is still a very good season of TV.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:48 pm to Corinthians420
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All of the stuff with Hugh the Hammer
Considering we had nothing in the books until he claimed a dragon, I will agree. But I felt like they could have given him and Ulf more screen time to better develop their characters instead of constantly going back to Harennhal.
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Alyn and Lord Corylss are really good.
They missed with this. The character they portray in the show doesn't match the bad arse that Alyn was in the books at all. Alyn was a go getter in the books and demanded his seat at the table. The guy in the show is pretty meek in comparison.
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I do think Hugh may end up betraying Rhaenyra although I would rather that not happen.
Have you read the books? I think you said you have so I am not sure why this is something you are wondering about. If they change that plot point, its a pretty big deal and it will turn a lot of people off.
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The stuff with Daemon being basically neutered by the Riverlords was pretty great as well. He even threatened to burn them alive and they didn't care. He even said something like "I didn't think theyd be so eager to die"
Anything with Daemon is immediately canceled out by the fact that he sulked and hallucinated the entire season which was worthless and taught us nothing outside of maybe 5 minutes of his tripping.
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The Red Sowing and Rooks Rest episodes were obviously action packed and Rooks Rest was the biggest spectacle, but Blood & Cheese started the season off with a bang and Aegons response created problems for the crown the rest of the season.
They made a big deal of hanging the rat catchers but never really followed it up with any consequences. When the people turned on the crown it was because they were starving and had nothing to do with that.
Rooks rest was obviously good, as was the sowing.
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Jace showed throughout the season that he may be the smartest one in the room when it comes to understanding the politics of the realm..
He did have a good part when he convinced the Freys to let the Starks use the bridge. But they undid his political savviness when they made him a whiny bitch about the dragonseeds. It doesn't take a genius to realize that he will have no throne to inherit if they don't win the war. Net negative for Jace.
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Alicent on the other hand is finally paying the price for her father's ambition (as is he it seems).
Alicent is also worthless the audience neither likes her or hates her. She is just...there. And she consistently tries to wash her hands of the situation that she created.
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Her acting in the final scenes with rhaenyra was incredible, she has finally accepted that she isn't escaping this and has nothing left except a son that is broken, a son that has no love in his heart for her, and a daughter who is barely hanging on. She is willing to give anything to just try to save just her daughter. I think she realizes she was wrong about Viserys final words.
Shes worthless and the scene at Dragonstone was stupid on all sides. Rhaenyra should have arrested her immediately. This scene proved once again that Rhaenyra is a poor leader.
They did such a poor job at developing characters. There isn't a single person on the show that would make me feel any type of way if they died.
Like someone else has said, the show is good overall because season 1 was good and we know what is to come. Season 2 was a big turd and probably chased away a bunch of viewers.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:55 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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They missed with this. The character they portray in the show doesn't match the bad arse that Alyn was in the books at all. Alyn was a go getter in the books and demanded his seat at the table. The guy in the show is pretty meek in comparison.
he literally just told off the Lord of the Tides in the last episode.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 5:04 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:He knows. He's just being a little contrarian butthole, as usual.
This isn't some Disney review bombing situation, most people that watch this show have been pretty fair in their critiques and ratings throughout and it's those same people that have been very fair in their reviews that are critical of this season overall.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 5:39 pm to blueboy
Not much to add here expect I thought it was a decent episode, but not a good finale for a season IMO
Especially since it is gonna be two years for another season
Especially since it is gonna be two years for another season
Posted on 8/6/24 at 6:07 pm to blueboy
I'm so glad we had this scene. So much meaning behind that kiss.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 6:16 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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This isn't some Disney review bombing situation, most people that watch this show have been pretty fair in their critiques and ratings throughout and it's those same people that have been very fair in their reviews that are critical of this season overall.
There is absolutely review bombing still going on
or do you seriously think someone would rate Episode 4 (Rook's Rest) a 1/10 because they thought it was a fair score?
You can't seriously think more people thought that episode was a 1 than a 6 or a 7?
I understand people being let down by the cliffhanger finale but anyone giving it a 1 out of 10 is absolutely trying to bomb the score.
Noone here can tell me they truly believe the final episode was a 1 out of 10 and that's a fair score.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 6:22 pm to Corinthians420
Every score I don’t like is review bombing
Posted on 8/6/24 at 6:26 pm to DMagic
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Every score I don’t like is review bombing
Haha are you serious? You don't think someone rating the Battle of Rooks Rest a 1 is just bombing the show?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 6:27 pm to Corinthians420
I’m always serious
Posted on 8/6/24 at 7:41 pm to Corinthians420
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Noone here can tell me they truly believe the final episode was a 1 out of 10 and that's a fair score
As a midseason episode it would not be a 1. After all the slow burn midseason episodes, to call this finale a 1 is not too far fetched.
Plus you have a lot of book fans who are pissed about the episode. Aegon said his dragon is dead. Thats a really big problem for the book readers.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 8:49 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Posted on 8/6/24 at 9:02 pm to Corinthians420
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Haha are you serious? You don't think someone rating the Battle of Rooks Rest a 1 is just bombing the show?
While I don’t think it’s the worst I’ve ever seen, I could absolutely see people have a big reaction to it being the finale. It wasn’t good for a finale.
After sitting with it, it feels obvious that they had to pivot after having a chunk of things written when they were told they wouldn’t get 10 episodes. This would’ve been a great Episode 8 in a 10 episode season. But while the good parts were really good, it suffered inbetween.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 9:10 pm to BluegrassBelle
Ok now what about the people that rated episode 4 a 1 out of 10? They weren't just rating it a 1 for some alternative reason and actually thought the episode was a 1?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 9:24 pm to Corinthians420
I’m sure there are a minority of people who do stupid shite like that. But that’s not just exclusive to HotD.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 9:30 pm to BluegrassBelle
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But that’s not just exclusive to HotD.
yeah it happens to pretty much every popular show these days.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:25 pm to blueboy
WTF did I just watch?!
Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:29 pm to BluegrassBelle
Great episode. People complaining about it being essentially a trailer for season 3 have lost the plot. That’s literally what every season finale for Game of Thrones was. The penultimate episode for each season (Episode 9 in seasons 1-6) was always the “climax” of the season that finished out the hand of the season and the season finale was when a new hand was dealt and we saw what we would be dealing with in the next season.
The issue I have is only have 8 episodes and not having that penultimate episode like GOT had. They need to do the remaining 3-4 seasons as 10 episodes and make the 9th episode of each season mean something again. I’m pretty sure if they do 3 more seasons that the book readers can basically outline what events would be the 9th episode of each of those seasons already.
And they absolutely can not wait 2 years between seasons again. I’ll give them a bit of a mulligan because of that stupid strike but they need to get a new season out within 15-16 months of the last season finishing. From the time Viserys dies until the end of the Dance, only like 3 or so years pass. This season starts what? A couple of weeks after he passes? And we’re only 3-4 months into the Dance if that. The young characters are so important in this show and you can’t have them aging out of their roles unless you plan on consistently recasting them which is just lazy.
The issue I have is only have 8 episodes and not having that penultimate episode like GOT had. They need to do the remaining 3-4 seasons as 10 episodes and make the 9th episode of each season mean something again. I’m pretty sure if they do 3 more seasons that the book readers can basically outline what events would be the 9th episode of each of those seasons already.
And they absolutely can not wait 2 years between seasons again. I’ll give them a bit of a mulligan because of that stupid strike but they need to get a new season out within 15-16 months of the last season finishing. From the time Viserys dies until the end of the Dance, only like 3 or so years pass. This season starts what? A couple of weeks after he passes? And we’re only 3-4 months into the Dance if that. The young characters are so important in this show and you can’t have them aging out of their roles unless you plan on consistently recasting them which is just lazy.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 6:48 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Plus you have a lot of book fans who are pissed about the episode. Aegon said his dragon is dead. Thats a really big problem for the book readers.
Care to elaborate on this for a casual like myself who will probably never read the books?
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