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re: House of the Dragon S1E7: “Driftmark”--Official Thread
Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:30 am to LB84
Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:30 am to LB84
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I don't see why so many people are on Rhaenyra's side.
Really you dont see why people like Rhaenyra who offered to marry their kids to get over the fighting over the heir thing and join their houses over Alicent "frick you we should cut out a kids eye to make things even"
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:42 am to LB84
She’s the lesser of two evils to me. I’m not a huge fan of Rhaenyra, but Alicent’s self righteousness is too much.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:43 am to Corinthians420
She lies for her own benefit. Alicent trusted her as a friend and vouched for her which costed her father his job.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:19 am to LB84
I rewatched it last night.
I liked certain pieces, but was a Pretty boring episode overall. Had to fast forward thru the long drawn out funeral, the long drawn out walk on the beach, the long drawn out aemon dragon ride, and the long drawn out Rheanara and Leanor talk.
Just seemed like a lot of unneeded time fillers in this episode. The episodes story could have been told in 15 minutes.
I liked certain pieces, but was a Pretty boring episode overall. Had to fast forward thru the long drawn out funeral, the long drawn out walk on the beach, the long drawn out aemon dragon ride, and the long drawn out Rheanara and Leanor talk.
Just seemed like a lot of unneeded time fillers in this episode. The episodes story could have been told in 15 minutes.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 7:22 am
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:30 am to BomBayTiger
Oh, you’re a fast and furious dude. Got it.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:34 am to Corinthians420
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Yeah, its still ruled by House Valeryon. They just arent as powerful in GoT
Indeed. Actually going through a read now. Valeryon is one of the houses to declare for Stannis even before Renly is killed. They must be relatively weak by then because Stannis considered his overall support to be pretty damn weak even with their support.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:39 am to LB84
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which costed her father his job.
Her father cost himself his job. He actually did manipulate the king. He pushed his daughter on him to get his child to become the queen. He actually was spying on Rhaneyra to try to find some way to expose her to have her removed as heir and clear the path for his grandson.
If Otto hadn't fricked around he wouldn't have found out. He blames Alicent because that furthers his goals of getting her to continue doing what he wanted done even in his absence.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:47 am to sahikojones
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Her father cost himself his job. He actually did manipulate the king. He pushed his daughter on him to get his child to become the queen. He actually was spying on Rhaneyra to try to find some way to expose her to have her removed as heir and clear the path for his grandson.
How did he manipulate the King? Just by placing his daughter around him? That's not manipulation. The King choose to marry her. Otto didn't make up any lies about Rhaneyra. He told the truth about her. Spying on her is kind of his job. Rhaneyra choose to be a little whore and lied to avoid consequences. He does want his grandson on the throne but he hasn't done anything evil to make it happen yet.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:54 am to LB84
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How did he manipulate the King? Just by placing his daughter around him? That's not manipulation. The King choose to marry her.
The king chose to marry her because Otto manipulated him into doing so. Did you miss where the small council was strongly pressuring the king to marry Laena because it would be a strong marriage to bring the two houses together and strengthen the realm, and Otto went, 'mmhmm yes yes, well of course that would be smart, but oh i can't possibly imagine having to marry someone for duty and not for love while continuously shoving his daughter at Viserys.
He then poisoned his daughter's mind and told her that if Rhaenyra became queen she'd murder Alicent's kids, and she needed to prepare her son to be the king. Thats literally treason.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:45 am to LB84
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Alicent trusted her as a friend and vouched for her which costed her father his job.
That ship sailed when Alicent started "visiting" Rhaenyra's newly widowed father every evening. Think of being a young teenage girl and you're friend starts fricking your surviving parent to level up in life right after your other parent dies.
Alicent was manipulated by her father who lacks moral decorum. Now she is trying to usurp the crown from her former childhood friend against her King husband's proclamations on rightful heir.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:09 am to LB84
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Spying on her is kind of his job. Rhaneyra choose to be a little whore and lied to avoid consequences.
Is it his job
The king doesn’t want to know, and doesn’t care. Otto was out there digging up dirt for someone who doesn’t fricking want dirt.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:34 am to Saskwatch
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Now she is trying to usurp the crown from her former childhood friend against her King husband's proclamations on rightful heir.
To be fair, Otto made it clear that she either has to win the crown or there’s a good chance she and her children would be killed to end any possible challenge by them. Alicent has to challenge now or it’ll be too late.
Cersei’s “You win or you die” quote is apt here.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 10:35 am
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:35 am to LuckySo-n-So
I’ve gotta say, after being so let down with GoT I have enjoyed the shite out of HotD. This show gets better every week it seems.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:56 am to theGarnetWay
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To be fair, Otto made it clear that she either has to win the crown or there’s a good chance she and her children would be killed to end any possible challenge by them.
If they wouldn’t attempt to usurp Rhaenyra, then there would be no threat to them
Posted on 10/4/22 at 11:01 am to Epic Cajun
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they wouldn’t attempt to usurp Rhaenyra, then there would be no threat to them
Their very existence is the challenge. That’s the point. It’s been a running theme that many houses have 0 desire to support a female queen - no matter whose daughter she is or how many times Visyers says he supports her.
Alicent bore Visyers’ 2 sons who would inherently be seen as having a better and more direct claim to the throne and other houses (including her own) were always going to pressure or force her (or her sons later in life) into making the challenge.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 11:03 am
Posted on 10/4/22 at 11:08 am to nes2010
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Man people that like to come in and drop little hints about the books suck.
That's not a book hint. It's already been revealed in GOT.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 11:12 am to theGarnetWay
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Their very existence is the challenge. That’s the point. It’s been a running theme that many houses have 0 desire to support a female queen - no matter whose daughter she is or how many times Visyers says he supports her.
Yep. If people were always going to support Rhaenyra, the Dance with Dragons would be a short affair. Instead, it's going to cover multiple seasons.
As soon as Viserys had his son, the Dance was an inevitability. Alicent likely sped everything up by being a bitch, but it was going to happen. There have been arguments on here that the blacks have all the power that matters, but if Rhaenrya pissed off one big house with a decision, that might set in motion the dance.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 11:14 am
Posted on 10/4/22 at 12:25 pm to DestrehanTiger
And a lot of people here saying Alicent could have ended it by accepting the marriage pact. Nope. There would still be houses pushing for her kids to be on the throne because they would not accept a Queen ruling and they would not accept her bastard kids getting the throne.
Two things are driving the conflict. One, the King not skipping over R. Precedent had been set with how that works when the Queen That Never Was got skipped over. Two, R's bastard kids make it impossible to form that marriage pact that could have maybe settled things.
Alicent is in a game if win or die. Otto knew that from the start. He put Alicent in that position. I don't blame anyone who hates Otto but Alicent is just playing the cards she's been dealt so that her and her kids don't end up dead.
Two things are driving the conflict. One, the King not skipping over R. Precedent had been set with how that works when the Queen That Never Was got skipped over. Two, R's bastard kids make it impossible to form that marriage pact that could have maybe settled things.
Alicent is in a game if win or die. Otto knew that from the start. He put Alicent in that position. I don't blame anyone who hates Otto but Alicent is just playing the cards she's been dealt so that her and her kids don't end up dead.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 12:33 pm to SoDakHawk
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And a lot of people here saying Alicent could have ended it by accepting the marriage pact. Nope. There would still be houses pushing for her kids to be on the throne because they would not accept a Queen ruling and they would not accept her bastard kids getting the throne
This. And as Alicent herself noted in the show, Rhaenyra didnt want the marriage pact out of a desire to have permanent peace or kinship, she did it because she needed a temporary truce while she was in a weakened position.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 10/4/22 at 12:37 pm to SoDakHawk
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Alicent is just playing the cards she's been dealt so that her and her kids don't end up dead.
I mean I wouldn't hate that. I understand that's not how the story goes though
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