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re: HOTD: S2 Episode 3 (Spoilers) 9pm ET
Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:28 am to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:28 am to BluegrassBelle
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You could absolutely argue that Ceresi was a product of growing up as Tywin Lannister’s child. And that she was forced into a loveless marriage with Robert which resulted in her blonde haired children (even if gross because it’s with her twin).
Sure, you could make the hippie argument that nobody is responsible for their own actions. But very few people will agree with it.
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Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:29 am to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:It allowed for Rhaenyra to finally see that she will have to fight instead of just sit around and hope for a peaceful resolution.
It made for an interesting scene, but i dont know if it moved the plot along at all.
Her face changed slightly at the end as she came to that realization.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:31 am to lostinbr
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I think you may have misunderstood Alicent’s doubling down. She realizes that she was probably wrong, but it’s out of her hands now. There’s nothing she can do to stop the war - as she said, it’s too late.
This x100
I loved that scene and was actually the first time I even felt semi-compelled to be Team Green (though still full Team Black). That scene was the first time Alicent actually woke the f up and recognized reality. Raenera was so fvcking naive to think she could just be like hey girl it’s all a misunderstanding, let’s stop this. GTFO
For Alicent to have that horrid look of realization that what she convinced herself of was a lie but recognizing that for her family’s sake and theoretical safety she can’t unwind it was impressive. Raenera looked like a dumbass thinking she could unwind all of this with proving what the king said was inaccurate
On the comments about no one getting close to anyone in the royal family after the beheading, I feel like they’re doing an epic job conveying that these kings guard dudes are knights of summer at and basically undisciplined morons. Wouldn’t surprise me at all that they lapsed again
The one thing that seemed a bit abrupt to me is Alicent now hating Cole. I guess as soon as the lust wears off and he’s trying to actually portray himself as worth a damn and be hand she’s like f this dude, or does she blame him for the murder of the kid (while she was boning him)?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:32 am to SECSolomonGrundy
At least for the Targaryen’s, the time skips aren’t as problematic in this series. They can ride dragons around. Easy to think Rhaenyra just hopped on her dragon and flew there. I’m sure we’ll run into the time issue with the rest of the cast though.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:43 am to lostinbr
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Again I think it’s pretty clear from the show how the women caused all of this. It seems like some of y’all are trying much harder to absolve the women than the showrunners, which I don’t really understand.
I think they are just portraying them as less conniving than they could have based on the accounts in the book. That's my only argument. I understand the accounts in the book are not the end-all-be-all and I accept those counter arguments but I think that's why some, including me, have noted that they've "softened" Rhaenyra and Alicent's role in this mess.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:51 am to UpToPar
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Alicent is not stupid. She knows that war is inevitable and that lives will be lost during the war. This war only ends one of two ways: with Rheanyra dead or with Aegon dead. As much as Alicent holds a soft spot for Rheanyra, she could have ensured the safety of her offspring.
Yeah, but killing Rhaenyra wouldn't have ended shite. Dameon is on the warpath and he has skin in the same with a couple of sons.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:51 am to NolaLovingClemsonFan
You can the lack of discipline taking hold of the Kings guard under Cole. He also doesn't act like a real commander in the field.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:01 am to NolaLovingClemsonFan
quote:She didn't go there on the pretense that she was going to use it being a misunderstanding to try to calm things down. She wanted to talk to her friend face to face (not via raven as another suggested) and see if together they could come to a resolution. She did not know going into it that Alicent had lost much of her power.
Raenera was so fvcking naive to think she could just be like hey girl it’s all a misunderstanding, let’s stop this. GTFO
She didn't even know it was a misunderstanding herself until Alicent mentioned Viserys talking about the prophecy.
It was then that she perked up and her herself realizing it was all a misunderstanding.
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 11:06 am
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:02 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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The whole scene of the council not listening to her limits her culpability. Her speech to Rhaenyra limits her culpability. Her being shown to have made a mistake and being so surprised (a great scene) limits her culpability. I guess my question is, are we as a viewer meant to feel sorry for her? I dont, but i think they put some elements in there to make her less evil. I never felt that way about Cersei. She was just a terrible bitch.
Seems like you’re hyper-focused on what you think the show runners want you to feel, despite admitting that you don’t, in fact, feel sorry for them. I would think very few people feel sorry for them.
They are complex characters with nuanced motivations. I’d say the writers are doing a pretty job of explaining their motivations in a way that doesn’t dumb things down to “good or evil” for the lowest common denominator of audience.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:02 am to Tigers4Lyfe
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It allowed for Rhaenyra to finally see that she will have to fight instead of just sit around and hope for a peaceful resolution.
Her face changed slightly at the end as she came to that realization.
Exactly. They even said as much in the after the show breakdown.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:07 am to UpToPar
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As much as Alicent holds a soft spot for Rheanyra, she could have ensured the safety of her offspring.
counterpoint
quote:LINK
Episode 3 makes it pretty clear that if the blacks wanted to, they could easily assassinate most of the major green characters and end this war without dragons, armies, or any real warfare at all. All they have to do is stick a few loyalists in one of King’s Landing’s bars and wait for the king to show up. I’ve tried to explain why the security is so lax these past few weeks by noting that the Kingsguard’s numbers have dwindled and many of the knights in King’s Landing are watching for dragon attack. But this episode made it feel like a plot hole—one we’ll have to just set aside for the purposes of enjoying the show.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:12 am to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:You'll get downvoted into oblivion for this but you're 100% right. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fricking stupid and/or appreciates the low-intellect last seasons of GoT.
It was well acted; cant deny that. But i had a little difficulty with the idea that the very proud Quenn Rheanyra would sneak into Kings Landing dressed as a nun. All season she has been uppity and talks about "my throne" and usurpers. Then on a whim she says, i must talk to Alicent. And i dont know how quickly she got there (surely not sneaking in on a dragon) or who the nameless bodyguard that kinda went with her is. But that was a stupid decision that could have ended the war, her life, and her line. Strategically it would never be allowed or even considered. But i guess the writers had this dramatic scene in mind. And now Alicent knows she is in Kings Landing and she is more determined than ever to fight. She is just gonna let her leave?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:17 am to Yeti_Chaser
quote:yes
2 questions. Is Joffrey going to the Vale with 2 small dragons and Rhaena going to Pentos with the 2 kids Rhaenyra has from Daemon +4 dragon eggs?
quote:its one of the coins daemon paid to the assassins in advance
And what's the significance of Aemond's coin?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:20 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:ulf appeared briefly in the last episode, he's the dude who stole an apple out of a basket right before the reveal of the hanged ratcatchers
Was the guy in the tavern claiming to be an illegitimate Targaryen someone we have seen before? I didn’t do a S1 rewatch like I should’ve, but it didn’t ring any bells.
No, he's new to the show.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 12:07 pm to cgrand
They’re setting up the 4 dragon seeds that eventually claim wild ones. Other than nettles I guess who they apparently cut.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 12:31 pm to lostinbr
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Seems like you’re hyper-focused on what you think the show runners want you to feel, despite admitting that you don’t, in fact, feel sorry for them. I would think very few people feel sorry for them.
I dont think the two female leads are sympathetic characters. I think the show is trying to cast them in that light, to a degree. Rhaenys even tells Rhaenyra that Alicent is as guilty of killing her kid as Rhaenyra is guilty of killing Alicents grandson. Both females take the stance that it wasnt their fault. One is the actual damn Queen of her people, and the other is fricking everyone with power besides her son and father. But neither one will accept any responsibility.
To put it another way, they are both active players in the game of thrones but they want to act like innocent bystanders.
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 7/1/24 at 12:47 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Sure, you could make the hippie argument that nobody is responsible for their own actions. But very few people will agree with it.
Understanding why someone acts the way they do isn't mutually exclusive with absolving them of all responsibility for their actions.
It's odd that some of you can't separate the two.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 12:53 pm to King George
quote:it felt very late season GOT but I'll let it slide. this show is setting up nicely, much more like the earlier seasons of GOT (as others have said).
You'll get downvoted into oblivion for this but you're 100% right. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fricking stupid and/or appreciates the low-intellect last seasons of GoT.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 12:54 pm to The_Joker
quote:are brits just better actors than americans, in general? GOT and HOTD are full of these guys
The actor playing Aegon is really fricking good. You can tell he has a million conflicting thoughts and emotions all going on at once and whichever one is dominant in a scene really shines through in a believable way.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 12:55 pm to cgrand
quote:I don't know what you're talking about, Aegon was flanked by 3 Kingsguard Knights when he went out on the town
All they have to do is stick a few loyalists in one of King’s Landing’s bars and wait for the king to show up. I’ve tried to explain why the security is so lax these past few weeks by noting that the Kingsguard’s numbers have dwindled and many of the knights in King’s Landing are watching for dragon attack.
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