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re: HBO’s ‘Game of Thrones’ Prequel Will Explore ‘Internalized Misogyny’ and ‘Patriarchy’
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:36 pm to 3nOut
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:36 pm to 3nOut
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i don't want people to fail for being woke/diverse/subversive.
I do.
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i want people to fail for patting themselves on the back for being woke/diverse/subversive.
And for this, too.
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Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:40 pm to Proximo
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But when you intentionally make a show to dismantle the patriarchy and emasculate all the male characters, that’s when people have a problem with it
Considering all the melty posters in here whining incessantly before a single episode has aired, and how few seemed to even notice when the original GoT made a cottage industry in their series of "smashing the patriarchy" that would seem not to be the case.
Breitbart says "woke" and the TD board goes "lets melt"
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:42 pm to Sun God
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My main thing is it seems that shows/films that start with this kind of publicized rhetoric from the actors/writers/etc. all end up being mediocre at best.
I mean GoT alone should be enough to be skeptical.
But the one thing that gives me some sense this will be good is Martin's level of involvement, and this is an already completed story. The lack of both were when things started going off a cliff in the OG.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:45 pm to Sun God
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My main thing is it seems that shows/films that start with this kind of publicized rhetoric from the actors/writers/etc. all end up being mediocre at best.
I tend to agree. I think they know they turned in a crap product and want to go ahead and give the masses something to get riled up about beforehand so they’re defending against that instead of their garbage film/tv show (WoT, Lightyear, etc)
See the Prey thread. No back patting or look at us. People had their complaints but it was pretty overwhelmingly positive despite the faults. I didn’t hear one iota beforehand about “look at our strong female lead depicting a tribe destroyed by colonizers.”
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:48 pm to LNCHBOX
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The usual suspects will be here to defend this... somehow
I have no problem saying I'm still watching, as the source material points to these themes and knowing that the ASOIAF universe is influenced by the War of the Roses (and after) there were all kinds of issues with women and succession.
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and also say we're all going to watch
Some of you absolutely will.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:57 pm to whiskey over ice
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so we won't be seeing titties?
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:59 pm to BluegrassBelle
I’m against the overwokification in Hollywood but I’ll watch most stuff until it unfairly goes after people.
I can handle cringy zingers and some eye rolling moments or dialogue but if your overall theme is calling all conservatives or white dudes Nazis, then I’m out. Make your point, speak your truth, or whatever, but if your art doesn’t hold up without your political point, I’ll bow out.
I can handle cringy zingers and some eye rolling moments or dialogue but if your overall theme is calling all conservatives or white dudes Nazis, then I’m out. Make your point, speak your truth, or whatever, but if your art doesn’t hold up without your political point, I’ll bow out.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:59 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I have no problem saying I'm still watching
We all know.
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Some of you absolutely will.
Still waiting for you to name your terms, but you're too chicken shite.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:59 pm to Bronc
It has nothing to do with Breitbart you brainlet. It has everything to do with the QUOTE in the thread—I didn’t even open the link to know who authored the article
Posted on 8/9/22 at 3:10 pm to Proximo
And once again, literally nothing in that quote wasn't already explored in multiple capacities in the OG show.
Often in very on-the-nose ways(at least I thought so until I read this thread and how many people seem baffled and perplexed that Dany/Sansa/Arya etc. had pretty explicit "smash the patriarchy" components to their arcs and characters)
Often in very on-the-nose ways(at least I thought so until I read this thread and how many people seem baffled and perplexed that Dany/Sansa/Arya etc. had pretty explicit "smash the patriarchy" components to their arcs and characters)
Posted on 8/9/22 at 3:13 pm to Bronc
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And once again, literally nothing in that quote wasn't already explored in multiple capacities in the OG show.
Often in very on-the-nose ways(at least I thought so until I read this thread and how many people seem baffled and perplexed that Dany/Sansa/Arya etc. had pretty explicit "smash the patriarchy" components to their arcs and characters)
If you don't see a difference in the nuanced way it was handled in the early seasons vs the fricking bullshite form the later seasons... oh, who am I kidding? Of course you don't see it.
No one is saying those weren't topics in the original. The hamfisted, lazy, in your face, nothing but quota filling, virtue signaling way they will do it now is the issue.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 3:15 pm to Bronc
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Dany
quote:Nothing more feminist than burning down a city and killing thousands of civilians in a fit of uncontrolled rage. Then vowing to conquer the world and remake it in her way
had pretty explicit "smash the patriarchy" components to their arcs and characters)
Posted on 8/9/22 at 3:16 pm to Tiger Prawn
I mean we have been living peak clown world since March 2020. When does the pendulum swing back a little?
Posted on 8/9/22 at 3:17 pm to UnluckyTiger
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I mean we have been living peak clown world since March 2020. When does the pendulum swing back a little?
Honestly, I'd be happy just to know it peaked
Posted on 8/9/22 at 3:17 pm to LNCHBOX
You’re just full of shite,
It was a huge part of GOT from the beginning and it wasn’t subtle.
You had 2 main characters literally being told what societal expectations were for them. 1 directly rebelling and 1 who wanted that life till it was repeatedly shown to be dogshit.
Sansa get married off to the guy who murderers her father, then the guy who helped betray he brother who then rapes her.
That’s not subtle commentary on the patriarchy.
Every strong female characters talks about it directly.
It was a huge part of GOT from the beginning and it wasn’t subtle.
You had 2 main characters literally being told what societal expectations were for them. 1 directly rebelling and 1 who wanted that life till it was repeatedly shown to be dogshit.
Sansa get married off to the guy who murderers her father, then the guy who helped betray he brother who then rapes her.
That’s not subtle commentary on the patriarchy.
Every strong female characters talks about it directly.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 3:18 pm to SammyTiger
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It was a huge part of GOT from the beginning and it wasn’t subtle.
Outstanding reading comprehension, counselor. Just bravo.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 3:20 pm to LNCHBOX
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If you don't see a difference in the nuanced way it was handled in the early seasons
It wasn’t nuanced.
It was directly addressed and constantly reinforced. You would call it had hamfisted if they talked about it before the series.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 3:22 pm to SammyTiger
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It wasn’t nuanced.
It absolutely was. It was part of the story while not feeling forced and was backed by good character development. It made sense in the story and wasn't preachy.
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It was directly addressed and constantly reinforced.
Jesus, you are just too stupid to even bother with.
Everyone involved has told you what this new series will be. It won't be GOT season 1.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 3:25 pm to LNCHBOX
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If you don't see a difference in the nuanced way it was handled in the early seasons vs the fricking bullshite form the later seasons... oh, who am I kidding? Of course you don't see it.
It was definitely a strong part of Arya's character from the very beginning. Dany's and Sansa's as well. It grew more "in your face" as the characters grew which is a natural progression.
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No one is saying those weren't topics in the original. The hamfisted, lazy, in your face, nothing but quota filling, virtue signaling way they will do it now is the issue.
They could have easily said all of the same things publicly about the OG GoT that they are saying now about this new show.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 3:26 pm to LNCHBOX
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It absolutely was. It was part of the story while not feeling forced and was backed by good character development. It made sense in the story and wasn't preachy.
You’re right when characters directly talk about something it’s not preach.
But again, why doesn’t it make sense in this story?
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Everyone involved has told you what this new series will be. It won't be GOT season 1.
Quote from the OP:
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“House of the Dragon really creates a nuanced conversation of misogyny,” actress Milly Alcock told Indiewire.
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