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Posted on 8/12/22 at 4:06 pm to Bronc
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….Also still wanting an answer from either of them as to what they are trying to argue?
I'm simply pointing out that your assertion that women created programming and programming languages, along with wifi, is wrong. Period.
I don't give two shits about your pissing contest with oogabooga or whoever.
Why don't you go make up some more memes since you are unable to carry on a rational conversation.
You're a pompous piece of shite in every thread you post in, and I'm just pointing out how you're also a fricking idiot.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 8/12/22 at 4:17 pm to Centinel
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No, I mean Zenneck. Again, Germans were using frequency hopping in WWI, based off Zenneck's work.
You are correct in that Tesla had the first patent on the idea of frequency hopping, but his work was based on Marconi.
The argument that Lamar and Antheil developed the technology that created wifi is simply false. It was already in use prior to their patent.
Crediting Lamar for creating wifi is picking out a specific person, at a specific time, for the work she and her partner built on top of those who came before her, who's work was built on by those who came after her.
It's disingenuous.
It's true that Lamar's invention didn't spring forth from her mind completely free of past influence, but nothing ever really does anyway. It's her invention that the Navy ended up using once the patent was free and clear, and because of the Navy became the backbone of most of the wireless technology that was developed in the United States.
Here's a really good article about the concept of "who invented what" and how various biases can influence what we are taught and believe:
Americanscientist.org
They make a bit of parallel with the inventor of the radio:
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An archetypical case is the invention of radio. To American—and Italian—schoolchildren, Guglielmo Marconi was the responsible party. In England, Oliver Lodge is accorded precedence; in Russia, Alexander Stepanovich Popov; in India, Jagidish Chandra Bose. In New Zealand, credit mostly goes to Ernest Rutherford. None of these answers is wrong, exactly, but neither is any one of them exclusively right. All of these inventors created comparable devices within about a year of 1894.
I think the most appealing thing about Lamar's contribution is that, unlikely most of the others who worked on this, she had no real background in this field (unlike Tesla, the folks at Telefunken Co., etc, who were all trained in the field and worked in it quite extensively). I agree that giving her full credit is disingenuous, just as disregarding her contributions is equally so.
We like simple answers. "Who invented the TV?" is much more appealing to us than the probably very lengthy answers of who invented each component, who figured out that radio waves could transmit enough data to convert into images, etc.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 4:19 pm to Centinel
As others have pointed out to you as well, you need to spend more than 90 minutes Googling things before speaking on them if you are gonna show back up still confused about the difference between programming languages and the machine that can run them. About uncovering a concept and producing the working device that became the basis for subsequent tech we use.
You continue to demonstrate a lack of understanding around basic facts yet continue to just aggressively plow forward claiming some sort of weird victory, not realizing you are making a fool of yourself, but continue doing you I guess….
And I guess your response that, your injection into Ooga’s rant about the inferior intelligence of woman was mostly about wanting to “own me” tracks.
But none of this side argument you wanted to get into changes the fact that Ooga’s inferred nonsense that woman are inferior intellectually and not capable of making contributions to advance civilization forward is absolute absurd misogynistic garbage
You continue to demonstrate a lack of understanding around basic facts yet continue to just aggressively plow forward claiming some sort of weird victory, not realizing you are making a fool of yourself, but continue doing you I guess….
And I guess your response that, your injection into Ooga’s rant about the inferior intelligence of woman was mostly about wanting to “own me” tracks.
But none of this side argument you wanted to get into changes the fact that Ooga’s inferred nonsense that woman are inferior intellectually and not capable of making contributions to advance civilization forward is absolute absurd misogynistic garbage
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 8/12/22 at 4:29 pm to skrayper
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I agree that giving her full credit is disingenuous, just as disregarding her contributions is equally so.
I agree. I never disregarded her contributions to frequency hopping.
I was simply pointing out that Bronc's blanket statement that she invented wifi was wrong. She contributed to a piece of the technology that eventually led to the development of wifi, which is the digital transmission of data wirelessly. Her work was only on analog radio voice transmission. Data transmission hadn't even been thought up of then.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 8/12/22 at 4:32 pm to Bronc
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You continue to demonstrate a lack of understanding around basic facts yet continue to just aggressively plow forward claiming some sort of weird victory, not realizing you are making a fool of yourself, but continue doing you I guess….
The only person demonstrating lack of understanding is you.
The only person making a fool of himself is you.
Go create some more memes.
Notice how I'm having a civil discourse with Skrayper, even though we don't see eye to eye on the subject at hand?
That's how adults converse. You should try it.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 8/12/22 at 4:35 pm to Centinel
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She contributed to a piece of the technology that eventually led to the development of wifi,
That’s the parent tech of the stuff we almost all use today in our wi fi, hence, you likely are connecting to the internet using technology invented by a woman.
Using computers that’s foundational programming came from Lovelace’s discovery and built on her initial work.
Ooga’s nonsense about white European men being the reason for every single good thing invented or improved in your life is utter and complete horseshite
Posted on 8/12/22 at 4:41 pm to Centinel
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Notice how I'm having a civil discourse with Skrayper, even though we don't see eye to eye on the subject at hand?
You don’t see eye to eye because 90 minutes ago you didn’t know who Ada Lovelace was, and 30 minutes ago you conflated Charles Babbage’s Analytical Engine with Lovelace’s discovery of taking it beyond straight calculations and creating the first algorithm, making her the mother of computer programming.
You took a position opposite mine to try and get some ownage and ended up exposing your own ignorance beyond anything you think you found in parsing my written words for interpretive inaccuracy.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 4:41 pm to DawgCountry
They're pissing all over Tolkien's grave with this PC.. oh wait, wrong thread.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 4:45 pm to BigOrangeVols
Yeah, that was last week, this week we got the anti-woke crowd crying cause GRRM is supposedly pissing on…GRRM’s grave
Cause he is adapting his own book that features heavily issues stemming from misogyny and patriarchy and the actresses, when asked, had the audacity to say the show will…create a nuanced conversation about those themes
…it is quite the scandal. Cancel your HBO subscription now and let them know you won’t be supporting this woke garbage that is destroying GRRM’s legacy
Cause he is adapting his own book that features heavily issues stemming from misogyny and patriarchy and the actresses, when asked, had the audacity to say the show will…create a nuanced conversation about those themes
…it is quite the scandal. Cancel your HBO subscription now and let them know you won’t be supporting this woke garbage that is destroying GRRM’s legacy
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 8/12/22 at 6:15 pm to Centinel
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was simply pointing out that Bronc's blanket statement that she invented wifi was wrong. She contributed to a piece of the technology that eventually led to the development of wifi, which is the digital transmission of data wirelessly. Her work was only on analog radio voice transmission. Data transmission hadn't even been thought up of then.
Wow so this thread took a turn from misogyny in Game of Thrones to fighting about who invented WiFi. That’s something
Posted on 8/12/22 at 9:23 pm to Bronc
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That’s the parent tech of the stuff we almost all use today in our wi fi, hence, you likely are connecting to the internet using technology invented by a woman
What part of Lamar didn’t invent frequency hopping do you not fricking comprehend? Germany was using it in WWI. It was developed by Marconi and Tesla you stupid frick.
Go make more memes. This subject is far beyond your ability to understand.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 9:40 pm to DawgCountry
Why would anyone waste their time on this knowing how awful GOT ended?
Who wants to see a bunch of woke bullshite? Not me.
Who wants to see a bunch of woke bullshite? Not me.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 7:15 am to Centinel
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What part of Lamar didn’t invent frequency hopping do you not fricking comprehend? Germany was using it in WWI. It was developed by Marconi and Tesla you stupid frick.
No need for a new meme when the original continues to capture your desperation plenty.
Especially cause once again you are aggressively lashing out from a position of ignorance. Lamar’s contribution to Wi fi is the specific underlying tech that was adopted and subsequently incorporated into basically all the Wi-Fi tech we use today, hence, you likely connected to the internet through wi fi invented by a woman. Next you’ll try and argue that Adele Goldberg doesn’t deserve credit for ushering in the underlying basis for which all GUI’s come from today(another name I’m sure you will frantically Google having known nothing about until reading that sentence, then come back whining about Alan Kay was there too…which no one denies before you try another wiki finger gotcha moron, this conversation stems from your mongoloid racist and sexist friend claiming all civilizations advance is from white European men, which is horseshite).
But per your request
This post was edited on 8/13/22 at 7:16 am
Posted on 8/13/22 at 10:14 am to Lawyered
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I guess I’ll give the pilot a shot but I don’t have high hopes at all for this
Think about what you could have done otherwise with that 2 wasted hours.
This post was edited on 8/13/22 at 10:15 am
Posted on 8/13/22 at 4:06 pm to Bronc
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Anyways, the story of Fire and Blood is literally a story that's central conflict arises from a dispute amongst the ruling family between a male and female heir to a male's only throne.
No, that's simply a small part of it.
The central conflict is a land rejecting the rule of royalty.
The Targaryens were weakend by the loss of dragons. They were further weakened and then overthrown because the last leader of their dynasty went batshit crazy. Due to this the other houses banded together and overthrew them.
They then placed someone on the throne with a tenuous tie to the former rulers. He gave in to vice and eventually died, sparking a war for who would take his place.
During this the Targaryens had two heirs still out there, one known and one unknown.
Eventually the known Targaryen would return with new dragons, team with the unknown Targaryen and take the thrown again only to be taken out by the unknown Targaryen after the known one had also gone batshit crazy. The latter was then expelled from the lands while the remaining leadership created a new, non-royalty-based form of government.
To frame the overall story as being simply a woman defying being denied a throne which was traditionally held by males is both short-sighted and incredibly myopic.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 4:11 pm to Bard
This story, the one they are about to tell from Fire and Blood in House of the Dragon, is specifically centered around the period where a civil war arises between the Targaryen’s stemming from Rhaenyra/Daemon vying for inheritance of the throne, a position woman were not allowed to hold to that point and many think should not in their world. That emerging familial dispute is the central conflict in season 1.
You are correct that the Targaryen dynasty is not simply about this conflict, and I should have been more specific in my writing there to state I was speaking specifically on the show, cause yes, their reign spanned 300 years so obviously more happened overall(and in true GRRM fashion we are still waiting on the conclusion to his Targaryen focused history to fill the rest out), and there is a lot that could be explored if the show branches out. How much this series will ultimately explore of it is not yet known, but in this specific season, the themes of misogyny and patriarchy are weaved right into the central conflict, and this conflict, and what stems form it, will take up the bulk of the rumored 3 seasons mapped out.
You are correct that the Targaryen dynasty is not simply about this conflict, and I should have been more specific in my writing there to state I was speaking specifically on the show, cause yes, their reign spanned 300 years so obviously more happened overall(and in true GRRM fashion we are still waiting on the conclusion to his Targaryen focused history to fill the rest out), and there is a lot that could be explored if the show branches out. How much this series will ultimately explore of it is not yet known, but in this specific season, the themes of misogyny and patriarchy are weaved right into the central conflict, and this conflict, and what stems form it, will take up the bulk of the rumored 3 seasons mapped out.
This post was edited on 8/13/22 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 8/13/22 at 6:59 pm to Bronc
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Lamar’s contribution to Wi fi is the specific underlying tech that was adopted and subsequently incorporated into basically all the Wi-Fi tech we use today
Frequency hopping was used by Germany in WWI prior to Lamar's patent almost 30 years later. Not to mention her patent was shared. It wasn't just hers. Yet you refuse to acknowledge this fact.
So you resort to stupid fricking memes because you are 100% wrong.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 11:25 pm to Centinel
captured footage of Centinel convinced he’s finally got his gotcha after a half dozen failed attempts
I mean Jesus, you absolute fricking moron, the concept of frequency hopping is not the contention in question, it’s the specific spread spectrum ideas she got the ball rolling on that went on to be contained in a patent during WW2, that after it’s expiration was utilized by the US government in the 60’s that went on to form the basis of pretty much all modern Wi-Fi technology.
But let’s again set aside that no matter what minute detail you think you can find, nothing is going to change the fact that your retarded Google fail of a brain couldn’t even differentiate between a mechanical computer and an algorithm. That you had to spend two pages continually moving goal posts cause you struck out trying to get your gotcha, and even when you think you found one you end up failing again.
Now, maybe, go help your wife, the breadwinner, pack her shite to move out to Boise so she can keep supporting your cucked arse sitting around all day failing at even basic wikipedia reading comprehension skills
I mean Jesus, you absolute fricking moron, the concept of frequency hopping is not the contention in question, it’s the specific spread spectrum ideas she got the ball rolling on that went on to be contained in a patent during WW2, that after it’s expiration was utilized by the US government in the 60’s that went on to form the basis of pretty much all modern Wi-Fi technology.
But let’s again set aside that no matter what minute detail you think you can find, nothing is going to change the fact that your retarded Google fail of a brain couldn’t even differentiate between a mechanical computer and an algorithm. That you had to spend two pages continually moving goal posts cause you struck out trying to get your gotcha, and even when you think you found one you end up failing again.
Now, maybe, go help your wife, the breadwinner, pack her shite to move out to Boise so she can keep supporting your cucked arse sitting around all day failing at even basic wikipedia reading comprehension skills
This post was edited on 8/13/22 at 11:48 pm
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