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re: GoT S7 E5 "Eastwatch" MAESTERS THREAD
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:30 am to Sneaky__Sally
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:30 am to Sneaky__Sally
quote:In fairness, he knows nothing, so what do you expect?
I still dont' get why Jon didn't realize there is an entire army together - its what he has been predicting and what bran saw in the raven. So this plan to "go kill one and bring it back" is pretty dumb - Jon isn't really known for his amazing planning skills though so i guess it fits his character.
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:30 am to tommy2tone1999
Now I respect the Psych gif. 
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:31 am to CorporateTiger
Pycelle "spoke with the High Septon" before, so it was the High Septon and not him that annulled it technically speaking.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:32 am to OMLandshark
I think you can just assume there is Civil and ecclesiastical "divorce" just like our world.
Rhaegar wanted this to be a true born Targ, for which purposes the Maesters may matter more.
Rhaegar wanted this to be a true born Targ, for which purposes the Maesters may matter more.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:33 am to CorporateTiger
quote:This seems likely. The Targs managed to keep the whole thing underwraps to the point that even Ned didn't know what was going on with his own sister. No one knew, no one talked, and no one found out.
I think it is just more logical that they had this done in secret (maybe the three Kingsguard knew), never told anyone, and no one has read that Maester's shite stories.
And who knows when the maester decided to record it although if he was tracking his bowel movements in that book as well as annulments/secret weddings it was probably not long afterwards. But like you said, who's reading a book about a maester's shits?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:36 am to ell_13
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Not only 3 KG members at the ToJ - but the realm's best swordsman (Dayne) and the LC (Hightower). Was always a huge clue that someone of greater importance than the Prince's kidnap victim was being guarded there.
It's also the basis for twins. One KG for each royal there.
Meera!
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:37 am to h0bnail
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Untrue, he hasn't been certified as a Maester yet. He could still hold that title. Still took the black.
I think we are at a point now to where they have thrown this rule out.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:37 am to ell_13
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It's also the basis for twins. One KG for each royal there.
I think this is a stretch. There was 1 KG at King's Landing - with the King, Rhaeger's wife (ex-wife?) and 2 Royal children. There were zero members at Dragonstone with the Queen, 1 Royal child and 1 on the way. The allocation can be assumed to have been based on Rhaegar's (effectively in command of the Royal forces in the field, as his father was incapacitated) assessment of importance - Dragonstone was away from the action. It was probably his plan in place to evacuate them if necessary. He may not have planned on his mother dying giving birth, but the children were evacuated nonetheless.
He left Jaime in place in KL because he didn't trust him (and he was still really young an inexperienced) and that was just for appearances. (And, perhaps, strategically, he thought that might stay Tywin's hand for a minute or two). He figured his father was a lost cause if the city fell, but that some mercy would be granted to his wife and children (bad gamble).
The other 3 with him to face Robert. I don't think that a Royal "count" had anything to do with it, respectfully.
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:39 am to Sneaky__Sally
It seemed like early on any man who died north of the wall woke up as a wight. That is why they burn the dead. There were no walkers around when the first wight showed up.
Take a criminal north of the wall, hang him, put him in a cage and wait for him to get back up.
Take a criminal north of the wall, hang him, put him in a cage and wait for him to get back up.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:40 am to Ace Midnight
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Yeah - it's widely assumed that the romance between Lyanna and Rhaegar started around the time of the Tourney in Harrenhal, in 281. The "kidnapping" occurred in 282 and Robert's Rebellion reached it's culmination in 283, including Battles at the Trident and ToJ, as well as the sack of King's Landing.
Ergo, it is easy to infer that they were meeting clandestinely, she became pregnant sometime in 282 and Rhaegar spirited her away to Dorne to hide her until the baby could be born. Rhaegar was literally willing to (and did) sacrifice everything for the heir. Lyanna did, too.
I can buy into this. I believe that Rhaegar truly thought that Jon was TPTWP and would be critical to the realm surviving the coming winter and second Long Night. He didn't necessarily sacrifice everything for Jon out of love, he sacrificed everything for the realm thinking that Jon was its only hope.
As to some other previous comments, I also agree that no one was believing that Rhaegar kidnapped and was all rapey with Lyanna other than Robert. The realm knew him as a beacon, not a monster.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:40 am to Tiger in NY
quote:If he did he hasn't said anything about it up to this point. Let's assume he knows everything, like a 3-eyed raven, and knew they were married secretly. Then he must know they had a child secretly. And then he must know that this child was born at the Tower of Joy where he surely knew that Lyanna was hidden. Then he knows that an heir with a greater claim than his queen's is out there somewhere. That's the kind of shite you would bring up at some point.
You think Varys wouldn't know about it?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:41 am to King George
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even Ned didn't know what was going on with his own sister
Book Ned knew for sure. Rest of the family, open question.
Ned and Lyanna have a conversation about how great Rhaegar is about the tourney if Harrenhall.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:42 am to TigerFanatic99
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I believe that Rhaegar truly thought that Jon was TPTWP and would be critical to the realm surviving the coming winter and second Long Night.
However mistaken he might have been at times, I think this was Rhaegar's only motivation during all these events. He was obsessed with this prophecy.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:44 am to Tiger in NY
quote:How do you know any of this shite? Is there a supplementary book on Westerosi law that I haven't read?
A maester doesn't grant annulment, a Septin qould have to
It was annulled. It's a fictional fantasy story. Deal with it.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:44 am to Ace Midnight
Yeah that is pretty confirmed from Danny's vision "but there must be a third, the dragon has three heads."
This was all about TPWP for Rhaegar.
This was all about TPWP for Rhaegar.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:45 am to King George
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The Targs managed to keep the whole thing underwraps to the point that even Ned didn't know what was going on with his own sister. No one knew, no one talked, and no one found out.
lyanna was promised to robert at the time...if rhaegar wanted her for himself, and lyanna wanted rhaegar, and rhaegar was already married (with an heir), it stands to reason why it was all done secretly
in any event, once R & L were dead, it didnt matter anymore
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:48 am to BluegrassBelle
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As if a man has never tuned a woman out when trying to get shite
I have become an all-pro at this
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:50 am to OMLandshark
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I just don't see people like Tywin, Varys, or Barristan buying the story. It's definitely a suspension of disbelief to tell a better story.
Even if they knew what could they do with that information? As long as Ned was claiming him as his bastard he was protected. As Ned's bastard he wasn't a threat to the throne, reveal his true lineage for the purposes of killing him and you actually make him more of a threat until you're able to kill him, which would require going to war against the North. For someone like Varys who might want to use Jon to hold power, who was left to support a Targ claim that he could latch onto? He obviously had better options to stay in the game than using Jon.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:51 am to Ace Midnight
I thoroughly enjoyed Gendry and Jon together
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:52 am to Byron Bojangles III
I lol'd when Gendry called Jon a short frick.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 9:54 am
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