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re: GoT S7 E5 "Eastwatch" MAESTERS THREAD
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:47 am to PsychTiger
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:47 am to PsychTiger
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:50 am to Ace Midnight
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For that matter, are we done with Melisandre? She told Varys she isn't leaving Westeros.
I thought she said she was going to Volantis but that her path would ultimately bring her back to Westeros. I don't think she ever said she isn't leaving.
But regardless, her saying that seems to indicate that we aren't quite done with her yet. I read/heard that she was pregnant, so I would imagine that she'll return next season at some point, if she does at all.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:55 am to VinegarStrokes
Ya i got a similar feeling that she was done for the season when she left but we will see her again in time.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:56 am to Duckhammer_77
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that's how half of Danerys' family got cray in the first place...but I guess you can take the girl out of the incest but you cant take the incest out of the girl...
This show has severely altered my sense of right and wrong when it comes to incest.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:57 am to Sneaky__Sally
I think she is knocked up IRL, so she is probably done for the season
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:00 am to VinegarStrokes
After rewatching the scene of Ned going into the Tower of Joy (and killing most everyone in his path, including Arthur Dayne), I am having trouble imagining a motive for him to do so if Lyanna was legitimately wed to Rhaegar.
I know the previous story was that he raped her, but obviously thats now false. Did Ned have another motive for going to the Tower of Joy? I am not sure why he would make the trek South if Lyanna was happily wed.
I know the previous story was that he raped her, but obviously thats now false. Did Ned have another motive for going to the Tower of Joy? I am not sure why he would make the trek South if Lyanna was happily wed.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:00 am to Decisions
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She could try to invite Dany to parley in her rigged portion of KL.
Would give us another opportunity to watch Dany walk out of flames naked, I approve.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:02 am to NYNolaguy1
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After rewatching the scene of Ned going into the Tower of Joy (and killing most everyone in his path, including Arthur Dayne), I am having trouble imagining a motive for him to do so if Lyanna was legitimately wed to Rhaegar.
I know the previous story was that he raped her, but obviously thats now false. Did Ned have another motive for going to the Tower of Joy? I am not sure why he would make the trek South if Lyanna was happily wed.
He didn't necessarily know about the wedding - could have still incorrectly assume it was a rape / kidnap type deal
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:02 am to 1BamaRTR
I have a question about how a bigger deal wasn't made at the time of Rhaegar and Lyanna getting married. I mean it was officially recorded. How has that literally never come up until just now?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:03 am to jlovel7
That is the biggest "plot hole" from last week. I mean if Cersei knows of a secret meeting within 10 seconds of it getting arranged as well as all of the other spies that finds out literally everything in the show - it is reasonable to assume that somebody, somewhere would have heard about this annulment / marriage and would have realized it was useful and noteworthy information.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:04 am to NYNolaguy1
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After rewatching the scene of Ned going into the Tower of Joy (and killing most everyone in his path, including Arthur Dayne), I am having trouble imagining a motive for him to do so if Lyanna was legitimately wed to Rhaegar.
I don't think Ned knew they were married until after he spoke to Lyanna in the tower
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:07 am to jlovel7
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I have a question about how a bigger deal wasn't made at the time of Rhaegar and Lyanna getting married. I mean it was officially recorded. How has that literally never come up until just now?
My thing about that is, how the frick did the Kingsguard not know what was going on? Ned comes looking for his sister, finds the Kingsguard at the ToJ, they don't tell him "Look, your sister is up there, she's having a child, shite's going bad. Oh yeah, we're here because Rhaegar divorced Elia and married Lyanna, that person being born up there could very well be the next King of Westeros."
Ya gotta think that whole scene would've gone different if they would've let Ned know what was going on.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:08 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I never thought about that but seriously - a lot of people died for nothing right there.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:09 am to Sneaky__Sally
Going by the books there are hints that a decent number of people know that Rhaegar didn't kidnap/rape Lyanna. It just isn't discussed due to Robert being a bit butthurt. Even if people know about it though, without a child it's not really meaningful.
ETA, its been a known "plothole" that three Kingsguard were at the ToJ, but no one asks why.
ETA, its been a known "plothole" that three Kingsguard were at the ToJ, but no one asks why.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:10 am to Sneaky__Sally
It seems easy considering there was a huge war and most of the people who knew are all dead.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:11 am to jlovel7
quote:Pretty sure the script Gilly read from said the maester did it in secret.
I have a question about how a bigger deal wasn't made at the time of Rhaegar and Lyanna getting married. I mean it was officially recorded.
quote:I imagine neither Rhaegar nor Lyanna lived much longer past the wedding.
How has that literally never come up until just now?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:14 am to TigerFanInSouthland
They knew Ned wouldn't directly harm the baby or Lyanna, but he would remove Jon's birth right and likely turn them over to Robert. Whether they waited a couple of minutes or not, that fight was going down regardless.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:15 am to King George
They lived for a pretty good amount of time. Rhaegar "kidnaps" Lyanna, Brandon and his father go to KL to demand an explanation, they are killed, Aerys sends a raven to Arryn demanding he turn over Ned/Robert, Arryn refuses, the Baratheons and Starks (et al) raise their armies, battle of trident Rhaegar dies, KL stuff happens, war ends, Ned rides down to Dorne for ToJ.
So that's like a year or more.
So that's like a year or more.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:15 am to CorporateTiger
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ETA, its been a known "plothole" that three Kingsguard were at the ToJ, but no one asks why.
Yeah, I highly doubt Tywin would have overlooked that, even though he most certainly did given that Jon is still alive.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:16 am to OMLandshark
The Kingsguard there were still Targ loyalists they presumably wanted to raise Jon as the new king in opposition to Robert.
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