re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet

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So you’re saying there is no connection between her telling Jon she will rule through fear and her terrorizing the populace she wants to rule through fear.

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I’m saying that’s your interpretation of it, and you’re incapable of understanding that we weren’t given enough depth to all come to the same conclusion.

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Yeah there are a lot of ways to incite fear.

But you can’t sit there and tell me burning King’s Landing didn’t incite fear.

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It sure would be nice to know why she went to the extreme with it, wouldn’t it? If only there were a way to provide such info in a television show......

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It’s not though if you have a dragon and are a little unstable.

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Jesus christ.

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medieval war fair often involved lots of civilian casualties and destruction of cities and they didn’t have dragons.

Ghengis Khan murdered 3/4 of Iran

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So Dany became the equivalent of Ghengis Khan in about a day? No pacing problem.s

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I think You’re ignoring context and subtext. There is enough depth out there to make a conclusion and you are aren’t.

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The only clues given were that she had the capacity to perform atrocities if she chooses.

Knowing she is capable isn’t the same thing as understanding why. When you have a showed that made its bones by connecting the audience to its characters, this was a serious cop out by the writers.

This is about as simple as it gets.

ETA: You can quit downvoting all of our posts dude. We all know who’s doing it.

Take it even further than that. If all she wanted was fear from her future subject, was the opposing army surrendering and everyone in the city screaming for them to ring the bells not a sign that she’d terrified them already?

No, there was something more at play there. It sure would be nice to have a little bit of actual insight into her frame of mind, wouldn’t it?

Sammy’s overly simplistic view of “she just wanted to be feared” unravels pretty damn easy when you start to tug at it.

How does it unravel?

There’s making a statement and there is making a bigger statement.

If You knock someone down, they probably have an idea you can beat the shite out of them. If you beat them to a bloody pulp they have a better idea.

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There’s making a statement and there is making a bigger statement.

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There’s also having a kingdom loyal to you through fear and then there’s a kingdom rising up to usurp you. Had she left it at the surrender and taken the Iron Throne after executing Cersei and Jamie, the people might have eventually learned to love her if she ruled justly.

Now she is going to be facing an open rebellion, especially once everyone in Westeros finds out about Jon being a worthy alternative.

And I know what you’re going to say. “Muh Drogon!”

The writers will immobilize Drogon just as they have the other dragons at various points these last two seasons. He will somehow be negated and pushed out of the picture due to plot armor or something else.

How is this thread still going?


So to sum up where we are at this point-the disagreement is in the amount of peasants that have to be killed to be declared insane and how many seasons we need Dany to be starving herself locked in Dragonstone. Same as 6 hours ago

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There’s making a statement and there is making a bigger statement.

If You knock someone down, they probably have an idea you can beat the shite out of them. If you beat them to a bloody pulp they have a better idea.

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Cool. Another point I made about 20 pages ago. I’m glad my points are sticking in. That is clearly what she is doing. How she got to that point though is not well done. Glad we can come full circle again and again.

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All happened within episode 4 or 5. And it wasn't Jon telling her who he was that was the problem, it was him sharing the info with others.

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And while the pacing is much faster some, especially in terms of traveling across the realm, I don’t think the storylines and the developments to each storyline are progressing as fast as they seem compared to previous seasons.

In earlier seasons there were many more major characters still living spread out across two continents with very distinct storylines. When major events happened to characters, the fallout of those events would happen across episodes, even seasons, due largely to only getting a few minutes within an individual episodes, or even going episodes without even appearing at all. Now there are fewer characters to follow, and there storylines are not only directly intertwined, they’re often in the same locations and scenes with one another.

And as it pertains to Dany, a lot of the complaints were something like “when is she ever going to leave Essos; her storyline is pointless.” And now many of character’s actions, motivations, and overall development can be directly linked to that “pointless” storyline and development, people are complaining about the lack of development or her rushed development and blaming the storytelling.

And I bet if you went through the posts from previous season’s episodes, you will find many of the same people complaining about her storyline in Essos and how it was pointless, who are complaining about her actions in last episode as it relates to her storyline and development.