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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:18 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:18 pm to LNCHBOX
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Go for it then.
Yea theres not a chance in hell im wasting 37 minutes of my life listening to that.
But if you give me a few of his points i'll go against them im sure. And plenty of other people on here too.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:19 pm to iwyLSUiwy
my expectation was that she would stop when the bells rang. then she said frick it and turned fully into the villain she was always capable of being. she made the full turn at that moment. but to look back and say it hasn't been building since the 2nd season... when it really has. why did people ignore or downplay it? because she wasn't killing an entire city by fire... which she said she'd do in the 2nd season.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:20 pm to RB10
It’s clearly a catalyst.
They’ve been nudging her this way for a while.
They’ve been nudging her this way for a while.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:21 pm to SammyTiger
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They’ve been nudging her this way for a while.
By completely contradicting themselves, sure.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:22 pm to monsterballads
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my expectation was that she would stop when the bells rang.
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but to look back and say it hasn't been building since the 2nd season... when it really has. why did people ignore or downplay it?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:22 pm to RB10
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95% of it happened in episode 4 or 5. In fact, the only specific examples that you gave all happened in the last two episodes
Sansa and the cold reception in the North was episode 1, Being rejected to the corner alone while everybody yucked it up with Jon before the battle was episode 2. Sansa again rejecting her in episode 2, Seeing a shite pile of her forces massacred was episode 3. Not to mention all the shite she did in season 7. Increasing paranoia that her advisors were plotting against her because they were advising a course of mercy (Dickon and Dad). I mean it’s there and you don’t have to look real hard.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:25 pm to RB10
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Nope. Just that having it all happen in episode 4 and then having her commit genocide in episode 5 because of it is terrible writing. Ironically, this is the only thing I've argued at all.
It’s unbelievable to me that this thing is 32 pages in, and people still don’t understand this very simple thing.
I’ve just accepted the fact that anyone arguing that the show is only being criticized because people aren’t getting their theories, or now this “y’all are just shocked about Dany”, these people are idiots. These people have no real defense against the criticisms of these episodes.
As was mentioned earlier, there is no way people defending this were that invested in the storytelling of the show.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:25 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Sansa and the cold reception in the North was episode 1, Being rejected to the corner alone while everybody yucked it up with Jon before the battle was episode 2. Sansa again rejecting her in episode 2, Seeing a shite pile of her forces massacred was episode 3. Not to mention all the shite she did in season 7. Increasing paranoia that her advisors were plotting against her because they were advising a course of mercy (Dickon and Dad). I mean it’s there and you don’t have to look real hard.
Yeah, you didn't mention any of that.
This is what you specifically mentioned:
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her most trusted friend is killed, two dead dragons, the man she loves reveals he has a better claim to what her entire existence has been about, the man she loves won’t give her the dick, and then seeing the people she wished would worship her running toward the family that took what she feels is rightfully hers.
All happened within episode 4 or 5. And it wasn't Jon telling her who he was that was the problem, it was him sharing the info with others.
ETA: Not to mention that WW killing Jorah and Cersei beheading Miss Sandy doesn't really give a solid foundation for her to go full Hitler on the common people.
You guys are saying "well, she snapped and that's that". We're asking "why exactly did she snap? What was presented as the reasoning vs. what she was as a character doesn't actually add up".
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:30 pm to SammyTiger
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I am sorry but I cant See a show where dany kills increasingly larger numbers of innocents.
You don't have to do that. You do need to show how she's breaking down from events and how each one has an impact. She doesn't have to do horrible things, but just changes in behavior and the way she's dressed.
They did one scene with her not in makeup and having her hair done, looking a lot like her brother. That's how you want her to look before a turn like this. The problem? There wasn't a step from her looking well put together from the previous episode to this one.
There's a problem too in showing her behavioral changes, since she hasn't done much interacting with her staff but to bitch at Tyrion. With some time, she can be a lot shorter in her interactions. Growing increasingly impatient vs suddenly just being impatient post Ep 3.
So instead of knowing she was about to burn shite down because the show practically told you, you have the question of if she'll overcome her darkness and do the right thing or be overcome and mad queen it up.
You just need a few more episodes to do it.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:31 pm to Duke
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So instead of knowing she was about to burn shite down because the show practically told you, you have the question of if she'll overcome her darkness and do the right thing or be overcome and mad queen it up.
You just need a few more episodes to do it.
Ding
Ding
Motherfricking Ding
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:32 pm to RB10
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You guys are saying "well, she snapped and that's that". We're asking "why exactly did she snap? What was presented as the reasoning vs. what she was as a character doesn't actually add up".
Dude, she did bad things to bad people. Obviously it's within her character to do it to hundreds of thousands of totally innocent people. This is good writing
ETA: Also
at these losers that are 33 pages into a thread and still downvoting every post they disagree withThis post was edited on 5/14/19 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:33 pm to RB10
My bad I left that out in my first post.
How many times through all the seasons have her advisors told her to take the course of mercy or diplomacy and she went against that and chose violence? Don’t say it was different because the majority of those people were bad. The people of Westeros aren’t slaves and don’t see her as a messiah (breaker of chains) to her that is rejecting her and her claim. That means they are in her way. We know what she does to people in her way.
How many times through all the seasons have her advisors told her to take the course of mercy or diplomacy and she went against that and chose violence? Don’t say it was different because the majority of those people were bad. The people of Westeros aren’t slaves and don’t see her as a messiah (breaker of chains) to her that is rejecting her and her claim. That means they are in her way. We know what she does to people in her way.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:33 pm to Duke
I wanted more episodes too but that clearly isn’t happening.
So is that the complaint? More episodes to drag out this thing?
So is that the complaint? More episodes to drag out this thing?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:34 pm to monsterballads
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More episodes to drag out this thing?
What you call dragging it out, others might call good writing that actually would have made a lot of the stuff that's happened in this last season work.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:38 pm to Duke
I think They did.
I feel Like she physically looks disheveled. She’s dealing with other people in a paranoid manner.
I dont Know why you want 3 episodes of her doing that more.
It’s slightly rushed but some
Of y’all want them to hold your hand through every little thing.
As a television watcher I can See someone lose their best friend in one episode, and look disheveled in the next and assume she’s had a rough couple of days.
I dont Need to watch her cry and not eat.
I feel Like she physically looks disheveled. She’s dealing with other people in a paranoid manner.
I dont Know why you want 3 episodes of her doing that more.
It’s slightly rushed but some
Of y’all want them to hold your hand through every little thing.
As a television watcher I can See someone lose their best friend in one episode, and look disheveled in the next and assume she’s had a rough couple of days.
I dont Need to watch her cry and not eat.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:39 pm to RB10
The ending we deserve
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:39 pm to monsterballads
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I wanted more episodes too but that clearly isn’t happening
A choice the showrunners made.
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So is that the complaint?
They needed more episodes, chose not to have them, and had to rush through getting a character framed as a good guy to a villian in the span of one episode.
Of taking a story where the plot was an outgrowth of the characters to one where the characters are divices to the plot.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:39 pm to LNCHBOX
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Dude, she did bad things to bad people. Obviously it's within her character to do it to hundreds of thousands of totally innocent people. This is good writing
Not to innocents. Crucifying and dousing Cersei’s army with wildfire is in her nature, but not killing the impoverished. Aerys as crazy as he was had a much more justifiable reason for torching King’s Landing than Dany did.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:40 pm to SammyTiger
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Of y’all want them to hold your hand through every little thing.
I;'m so sick of this as a question as a defense of shitty writing
Did you use this same line when people questioned why the frick Arya is the one to kill the NK?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 4:40 pm to SammyTiger
I have issues with several things this season but reasoning around Dany going ape shite isn’t one of them.
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