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re: Game of Thrones S8 E5 "The Long Melt." Official Thread
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:09 am to TigerCruise
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:09 am to TigerCruise
This could have been done so much better. Jon should have killed the Night King and been hailed as a hero. I'm talking full on parade in Winterfell, let Tormund chant 'King in the Norf' all night, all while Jon keeps bowing to Dany. Let it really get under her skin until eventually she cracks.
Individually, this episode was great television. Overall, season 8 fails due to major structuring issues. The White Walker storyline was essentially meaningless and cheapened even more so by shoehorning Arya in as the hero because they couldn't fit her anywhere else in the story.
Individually, this episode was great television. Overall, season 8 fails due to major structuring issues. The White Walker storyline was essentially meaningless and cheapened even more so by shoehorning Arya in as the hero because they couldn't fit her anywhere else in the story.
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:09 am to theunknownknight
It's not the fact that Dany descended into violent insanity that's the problem, it's how quickly she escalated into it.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:11 am to theunknownknight
I don’t have a problem with her going Mad Queen tbh. One of my main complaints is that this show started off as one where every detail mattered. Now it has become “just keep the big stuff and stupid people won’t notice the little stuff”.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:12 am to Damone
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It's not the fact that Dany descended into violent insanity that's the problem, it's how quickly she escalated into it.
How quickly should one properly snap into going truly mad?
Everyone she truly loved is dead or betrayed her. Literally every one. Every one who ever held her in check.
The only thing in the world she has left is a desire for revenge and a huge dragon.
1 + 1 = 2
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:14 am to SabiDojo
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I don’t have a problem with her going Mad Queen tbh. One of my main complaints is that this show started off as one where every detail mattered. Now it has become “just keep the big stuff and stupid people won’t notice the little stuff”.
I get that - but that’s an HBO and GRRM problem that has been anticipated since season 3 when HBO realized they were outpacing the books.
90%+ of writers/stories are screwed when production takes priority over prose.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 9:15 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:15 am to Mystery
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That would be just as stupid. We saw only about 4 survive.
...holy shite
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:15 am to Mystery
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Snow*
Retconned to ash.
Here’s a direct quote from Dany, season 2
“When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground”
Seems like this has been laid out pretty early in the show, no?
This is more to SFP than you BTW
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:18 am to theunknownknight
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If true - this confirms it was GRRM’s plan all along and makes some posters in this thread look retarded.
It is almost assuredly in his outline.
No chance it’s as poorly done though
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:20 am to theunknownknight
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If true - this confirms it was GRRM’s plan all along and makes some posters in this thread look retarded.
I’ve always found it very possible that Dany eventually goes mad, but it won’t be this sloppily done.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:20 am to Damone
I can buy the frustration with things being rushed. Season 7 started that train and it hasn’t slowed down much.
I didn’t think the show had the nads to heel turn a main character despite all the foreshadowing.
I didn’t think the show had the nads to heel turn a main character despite all the foreshadowing.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:21 am to OMLandshark
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I’ve always found it very possible that Dany eventually goes mad, but it won’t be this sloppily done.
How was it done sloppily? She said she would do this in season 2
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:23 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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How was it done sloppily? She said she would do this in season 2
Just because it was brought up doesn’t mean it was built up. But there’s no point in engaging with you on this issue since you’ve made it abundantly clear that you would love the episode almost no matter what happened.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:24 am to Carson123987
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Carson123987
Just curious, what are your thoughts about Martin’s plan for Jaime? I was/am certainly upset he didn’t kill Cersei, but I find it hard to believe D&D, for all their faults, deviated on this one.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 9:25 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:26 am to OMLandshark
The blood lust/snapping thing worked for me now that she has no one to reign her in.
And I’ve been critical of the show, so you know I’m not a homer.
Tyrion selling out Varys was worse than anything for me last night, but I really enjoyed the episode overall.
And I’ve been critical of the show, so you know I’m not a homer.
Tyrion selling out Varys was worse than anything for me last night, but I really enjoyed the episode overall.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:30 am to OMLandshark
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Just because it was brought up doesn’t mean it was built up. But there’s no point in engaging with you on this issue since you’ve made it abundantly clear that you would love the episode almost no matter what happened.
Isn’t that the foreshadowing you nerds love so much?
How about all the other unnecessary cruel things she’s done?
Or the fact that people in her family have a high chance of going mad?
Or striving towards something her entire adult life, only to have 2 of her dragons die, Jorah die fighting a battle that wasn’t hers, no love from anyone, her boyfriend turn out to be her nephew and with a better claim to the throne?
Do you need to sit there and watch someone fade into lunacy minute by minute, or can you accept the fact that with all that has happened to her, this was the likely outcome
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:35 am to ohiovol
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I was/am certainly upset he didn’t kill Cersei, but I find it hard to believe D&D, for all their faults, deviated on this one.
I said this near the start of this season, but the show didn’t build up Jaime killing Cersei at all. The books have. I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t kill her in the books and disappointed if he goes down with her. I don’t think that Jaime talking with Jon in the second episode was a throwaway line, and Jaime’s true destiny lies with Jon.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 9:36 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:37 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Isn’t that the foreshadowing you nerds love so much?
I love the show, and don’t mind a certain amount of deviation, but don’t do this. People are allowed to be disappointed.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:39 am to ohiovol
Dany last night reminded me of my 18 year old self playing Grand Theft Auto 3 and getting tired of doing missions
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:39 am to ohiovol
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People are allowed to be disappointed.
And people are allowed to like the show and not have to dissect the tiniest of details and probabilities in a fantasy show
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:47 am to theunknownknight
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How quickly should one properly snap into going truly mad?
Apparently however was necessary to cram the season into six episodes.
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