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re: Game of Thrones S8 E1 "Winterfell" Official Thread
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:15 am to STLhog
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:15 am to STLhog
Nobody caught the 1000 years thing?
Really?
That’s where Bran will end up after the army of the dead is defeated, but the NK is still alive, meaning all of this will happen again
ETA: I think I just figured it out. The NK comes around whenever Westeros is in danger of imploding. Beric and Jon talked about death always winning, but needing to fight anyway. This will continue to happen after ASOIAF is over
Really?
That’s where Bran will end up after the army of the dead is defeated, but the NK is still alive, meaning all of this will happen again
ETA: I think I just figured it out. The NK comes around whenever Westeros is in danger of imploding. Beric and Jon talked about death always winning, but needing to fight anyway. This will continue to happen after ASOIAF is over
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 10:43 am
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:17 am to STLhog
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Really hope the writing doesn't continue this way. Super campy and hokey when things are getting real.
What makes you think this will change? If the dialogue since they've run out of source material is any indication, we are going to be left with mostly sophomoric and less powerful dialogue. There were at least three "balls" jokes last night.
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Did they literally just re-do the scene with his wildling? Cmon.
I thought the same thing. Poor Dany, getting dates from Jon that a wildling took him on.
Also...why haven't they put saddles on the dragons? Hasn't all the accompanying world expansion by the Fat Man included drawings with saddles on dragons?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:17 am to Saskwatch
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NK assumed that people would come seeking out the Umbers after no showing.
unless the NK is weirwood-netted into the great hall at winterfell, how would he know that? that only makes sense if he and bran are connected, which might explain it
one other missed story beat...bran just casually throws out there that the NK has resurrected viserion, and...nobody really cares that much about this news? i get that the story needs to move along, but gotdam. danaerys doent even react to that
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:20 am to STLhog
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No Hound and Brienne reunion was also a let down.
they already re-met at the dragonpit
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:20 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Nobody caught the 1000 years thing?
"we would be really old"
What are people's thoughts on the Cersei sex scene? Not sure how I feel about that or should read further than her being a drunken hoe.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:21 am to cgrand
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hey already re-met at the dragonpit
Sorry, just meant at Winterfell.
Their dialogue potential is pretty good given the showdown.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:24 am to CBLSU316
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Jon is going to have to kill Daenery or vice versa.......she isnt going to step down for Jon to be king.
I don't know about that. Her big thing has always been that she's the rightful heir to the Iron Throne. If they prove to her Jon is the rightful heir I could see her getting in a snit about it but then deciding it's therefore destiny that they rule together as king and queen.
That we have only a handful of episodes left in the series makes me think it won't be nearly as much drama to the decision as would normally be written into a series that didn't yet have a definite (and looming) ending.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:25 am to STLhog
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No Hound and Brienne reunion was also a let down.
They saw one another in the season 7 finale.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:27 am to Bard
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That we have only a handful of episodes left in the series makes me think it won't be nearly as much drama to the decision as would normally be
I dono man, the amount of drama surrounding simple issues with Sansa and Lady Mormont makes me think otherwise.
Going to be a bunch of cat fighting this season I fear. Dany is getting super annoying honestly. She might be cray and Jon or someone will have to kill her.
Could see her going off the rails against all the allies.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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there are 3 main issues right now
1. D/D have written themselves into a bad world/scenario. this is season 6 and 7 coming home to roost
We'll have to wait and see. It's possible, but I'm willing g to wait and see.
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2. D/D are obsessed with fan service. almost that entire episode was fan service. they're wrapping up character scenarios in a nice and tidy bow, which is not what built ASOIAF/GOT
Disagree.
In what scenario do these characters not reunite? You have to show that right?
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3. D/D are wasting budget and sacrificing story to give bigger battles, monsters, and dragons. the battles and CGI and dragons aren't what made GOT interesting. the political drama, story, and character development is what made GOT interesting.
I agree with this.
The battles have never been my favorite.
But how does this not conflict with your second point about wrapping up characters just to please fans?
The characters were meant to come together. I felt the interactions were shorter than they should have been but not untrue to how they would ultimately play out
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:29 am to Bard
After all the shite Dany has been through, she isn’t giving up that title. Also, Sansa needs to get GOT. Arya sticking up for Sansa to Jon really pissed me off. Those two are being unreasonable with the end of their world as they know it looming on the horizon. That whole meeting of the houses pissed me off. The selfishness is unreal. It sort of reminded me of LSU’s BOS.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 10:30 am
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:32 am to Yeti_Chaser
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Cersei tries to set up "accidents." Examples: Robert and the melee, Robert and the boar, Mandon Moore and tyrion
That was when she had reputation to uphold and wanted to keep the throne.
Now she has the throne and no one can do anything about it.
Did she set up an accident when she blew up the sept of Baylor?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:32 am to Bard
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If they prove to her Jon is the rightful heir I could see her getting in a snit about it but then deciding it's therefore destiny that they rule together as king and queen.
I feel like Jon is going to withhold that information for a while. Doesn't seem like Jon to detract from the ultimate goal of defeating the White Walkers.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:33 am to landrywasbeast30
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, no one thought this. Everyone knew this episode would be mostly about reunions. Some people just thought those reunions were underwhelming.
The most anticipated reunion was probably Jon/Arya. What we get is Arya defending Sansa, saying Sansa is the smartest person she ever met, and threatening Jon. I’m sorry, but wasn’t a large part of last season spent with Arya watching as Sansa was being played by Littlefinger, and basically plotting against Jon?
The way the Jon riding the dragon stuff was handled was silly. Seemed like it was played up as a comedy scene. Then the cheesy part with the dragon being jealous or whatever.
The saving grace of the episode was from Dany and Jorah finding Sam, to Sam telling Jon. Everything before that was really not that great. I think people liked the reunions and Jon riding the dragon because they have been waiting to see that stuff more so than it actually being well-done.
I don’t know how Jon isn’t pulling his damn hair out. Dude is out here doing everything he can think of to save the world, and people supposedly close to him keep turning on him for it. Literally all the guy cares about is saving everyone’s asses, yet he is made out to be some idiot that doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Sansa is being portrayed as the smart, loyal person, but she has been lying to Jon from the moment she met Littlefinger in the barn. Nearly got Jon killed for no reason. Seriously thought about plotting against him because she wants to rule Winterfell. She seems to be putting her personal beefs ahead of an army of the dead trying to end the world.
Reasonable and sound critique.
Hopefully the rest of the season puts the shortcomings of this premiere into better context and perspective
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:33 am to UnluckyTiger
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Those two are being unreasonable with the end of their world as they know it looming on the horizon.
Makes you wonder if they truly believe the Night King is real. There seems to be some skepticism going on.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:35 am to UnluckyTiger
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Those two are being unreasonable with the end of their world as they know it looming on the horizon. That whole meeting of the houses pissed me off.
1) jon left WF as KING IN DA NORF and comes back alongside a foreign invader with armies and monsters that may as well have come from outer space, and you dont think anyone should be bothered by that?
2) those armies and monsters are living, breathing & eating entities. you'd rather the show just gloss over the logistics of that?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:36 am to WAY2GOLSU
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One rumor that has to be true, is that bronn and Cersei dated in real life and cant stand each other. To this point, as much as their characters are intertwined, they still haven't had a scene together.
They actually were in one scene together. She was leaving Jamie or Tyrion’s room and Bronn was standing outside. She walks right past him. It’s in maybe the 3rd season.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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as a contrast, imagine John riding the dragon in the middle of a dispute about lineage with Dany, just as they're being torn apart
would there be anything else that proves to Dany that Jon is also a Targ (something she values so much internally)?
much more powerful and less kiddie. that would have real stakes and weight attached to it
I could dig that
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:39 am to Bard
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Jon is going to have to kill Daenery or vice versa.......she isnt going to step down for Jon to be king.
I don't know about that. Her big thing has always been that she's the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.
Or Jon dies trying to be like Ned Stark and DT tried to be a better ruler in his honor.
Because Lord of Light and crap maybe? Where are those people anyway?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:45 am to iwyLSUiwy
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she should be happy to see him too but she's just a bitch.
Why should she be happy to see him?
I mean, I just felt like they had an understanding by the end of their interactions. He helped her out and they fought side by side together.
she left him to die and he survived. She would have respected that the same way he respected her surviving this shite world.
With what is to come, she would be happy to have a strong ally of nothing else.
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