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re: Game of Thrones S7 E7 "The Dragon and the Wolf" MAESTERS THREAD NO SPOILERS
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:49 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:49 pm to OMLandshark
Whatever happened to the dragon glass that Jon was supposed to mine?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:51 pm to Motorboat
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Whatever happened to the dragon glass that Jon was supposed to mine?
I'm hoping/thinking they stopped off at White Harbor to unload it.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:14 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Ok, here goes-
I trust you as a theorist to not use spoilers.
Sansa's speech from the trailer, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives, sounds like a eulogy. Somebody dies in Winterfell, I reckon... and my sudden thought is this: if Arya were to take, oh, anyone powerful's face, she'd have to do it awhile, not just for an episode. Which means Arya will have to go away, so that the Northern lords don't begin wondering where she is.
Best setup for that is: a fire. Arya and SOMEBODY are in a burning building, and that somebody walks out, and Arya doesn't. No body, no evidence who actually is dead, just the face (?) of the survivor.
A lone wolf analogy has dual meaning if that funeral is for Arya, as a Stark she's a "wolf", and with current actions, she's a lone wolf.
Not 100% sure who that is (has to be 1 of 2 people), and not 100% sure they actually show the audience Arya is actually the survivor. Would be a nice cliffhanger for the final season...
The preferred choice is Littlefinger, with Sansa's knowledge. This lets Arya infiltrate the Arryn house and deal with Robin as need be.
A second outcome would be Littlefinger, but without Sansa knowing, but maybe suspecting. This would give us more drama, I think.
Third call would be Sansa, meaning the petty bitching was in fact serious, and Arya has replaced Sansa ala Loki taking Odin's place. I doubt that greatly, but they are showing the sisters bickering, so I guess it's possible.
Of course if they never actually show the deed, we have to include the possibility that Arya does die in the fire instead. Maybe at Sansa's move, that follows the sisters bickering, and Sansa sending Brienne away (who would have been sworn to protect both girls). And if shite really goes down that way, as badass as Arya is, she does need someone watching her back. She's not 'no one', able to blend into crowds; in Winterfell, everybody now knows her.
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:26 pm to mindbreaker
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I'm sure the books will give me more detail if they ever get finished
The published books tell most of the story indirectly already. If we get the Knight of the Laughing Tree and the Tourney at Harrenhall I'll have to change my pants, but it ain't happening.
From the Wiki:
Tourney at Harrenhall
The tourney was announced in 280 AC by Lord Walter Whent shortly after he was visited by his brother, Ser Oswell Whent of the Kingsguard. The rewards offered by Walter were three times greater than those offered by Lord Tywin Lannister in the tourney in honor of Prince Viserys's birth at Lannisport in 276 AC.[6][N 1] The lavish prizes offered by Lord Whent brought hundreds of challengers to the tourney.[7] Walter also wanted to present his massive castle and his fine sons.[3]
While most believed House Whent was displaying their wealth and splendor, some believed the Whents lacked the funding for the prizes and were instead supported by a "shadow host"; Maester Yandel suggests Crown Prince Rhaegar Targaryen.[2] King Aerys II Targaryen attended the tournament only because Varys warned him that his son Rhaegar arranged the tournament as a pretext to meet with several high lords to discuss removing his father as king in an informal Great Council.[8] Many in attendance were shocked by the king's physical decline.[2]
During the tourney's opening ceremonies, fifteen-year-old Ser Jaime Lannister was admitted into the order of the Kingsguard. Although Jaime wanted to compete in the tourney the next day, King Aerys commanded him to return to King's Landing that night to guard Queen Rhaella and Prince Viserys.[9] Also that first night was a great feast within Harrenhal for lords from throughout the realm.[10]
Tourney
The tourney took place over ten days,[5] of which the competition lasted seven days,[2] with five days allotted to the joust.[10] There was a seven-sided melee in the ancient style,[5][10] in which Lord Robert Baratheon unhorsed many.[1] Besides the melee and the joust, the tourney included an archery contest, an axe-throwing contest, a horse race, and a tourney of singers.[10] There was also a mummer show.[7]
Lord Walter Whent's fair daughter was the queen of love and beauty when the tourney began. Her honor was defended by her brothers and her uncle, Ser Oswell Whent of the Kingsguard, but they were all defeated in the tourney.[10]
A mystery knight, the "Knight of the Laughing Tree", appeared in the lists to fight for the honour of a crannogman.[10] King Aerys sent men to learn the identity of the mystery knight, who appeared and disappeared mid tourney, but they were unsuccessful.[2]
Rhaegar Targaryen was champion of the joust, defeating four knights of the Kingsguard,[2] and in the end he chose Lyanna Stark as the new queen of love and beauty, placing a crown of blue winter roses in her lap. This was scandalous in that, not only was Rhaegar already married to Elia of Dorne, who was present at the tourney, but Lyanna herself was betrothed to Robert Baratheon.[1][10]
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:31 pm to OMLandshark
On another note, wouldn't Robin Arryn have a place at this summit? If you're going to invite Sansa (who technically is just Jon's subordinate), I'd think the head of the last remaining great House, and not just his proxy Littlefinger, would be there.
He's not a vassal, he's an ally.
He's not a vassal, he's an ally.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:33 pm to Scoob
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Sansa's speech from the trailer, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives, sounds like a eulogy
It also sounds similar to Arya's words when she was wearing Walder Frey's face. Could those actually be Arya's words while she's wearing Sansa's face?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:38 pm to Gugich22
Arya would have to kill Sansa first. You have to kill your victim first.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:45 pm to Gugich22
quote:If so, they have done a thoroughly bad job with this. I haven't gotten the slightest hint of deception or malice from Sansa, not to where I could begin to support Arya doing this. She's actually doing a good job: she's the one that pushed Jon to become King in the North, she could have taken that role without contest (he didn't want it). And she's been able to keep Littlefinger in check, without either falling into his games or antagonizing him enough to drive him away.
quote:
Sansa's speech from the trailer, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives, sounds like a eulogy
It also sounds similar to Arya's words when she was wearing Walder Frey's face. Could those actually be Arya's words while she's wearing Sansa's face?
And I also haven't gotten the sense that Arya is truly that crazy; she's remained a Stark throughout her ordeals. If Sansa's on her list, she would HAVE to be below Cersei and some others.
Nothing but Littlefinger makes any sense in the big picture. Sansa is only under consideration because of the past 2 episodes.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:48 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Right. Maybe the past 2 episodes give us that suggestion, but it's a terrible move in the bigger picture, and Arya is supposed to be looking at the big picture. If she does kill Sansa, then in my mind she's moved over to the villain side of the board.
Arya would have to kill Sansa first. You have to kill your victim first.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 12:02 am to Scoob
My take is that it's Littlefinger, and I'm not real sure Sansa is completely in on it.
I COULD see her helping lure Littlefinger into a trap, and the two using the Littlefinger face to deal with Robin (and others, for that matter). It would add depth to Sansa, that she be in on this, and run the intrigue and spy games that way.
But then again, that seems a little too obvious and happy a solution. It'd be like Jon and Dany immediately hooking up when they met (I know, bad example... and for the sake of drama they did drag that out two episodes before it happened). You could wring a little more drama out of the plot if Sansa doesn't know... that way Arya can truly find out if her sister misses her
, is loyal to Jon, etc.
And Sansa would be picking up a difference in Littlefinger, something that would make her suspect, but also suspect a scheme too.
Do we really have time for this all, though? Soon enough, Winterfell is going to be swarming with the dead army, and all the schemes will be pointless.
I COULD see her helping lure Littlefinger into a trap, and the two using the Littlefinger face to deal with Robin (and others, for that matter). It would add depth to Sansa, that she be in on this, and run the intrigue and spy games that way.
But then again, that seems a little too obvious and happy a solution. It'd be like Jon and Dany immediately hooking up when they met (I know, bad example... and for the sake of drama they did drag that out two episodes before it happened). You could wring a little more drama out of the plot if Sansa doesn't know... that way Arya can truly find out if her sister misses her
And Sansa would be picking up a difference in Littlefinger, something that would make her suspect, but also suspect a scheme too.
Do we really have time for this all, though? Soon enough, Winterfell is going to be swarming with the dead army, and all the schemes will be pointless.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 5:17 am to RuLSU
quote:
I'm hoping I can avoid spoilers for the next few days and watch an episode of GoT without knowing what would happen first.
Yup, didn't happen. I was trying to find out why Sansa had made a certain decision to send someone away in episode 6 and ... poof! Spoilers, without warning.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 6:27 am to RuLSU
quote:If you're referring to my theory, just to be clear- that's just a guess. I did cave in and watch the leaked episode last week, but came on and announced I did.
quote:
I'm hoping I can avoid spoilers for the next few days and watch an episode of GoT without knowing what would happen first.
Yup, didn't happen. I was trying to find out why Sansa had made a certain decision to send someone away in episode 6 and ... poof! Spoilers, without warning.
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Now, that DOES give me about a week to wonder why Sansa sent Brienne away, instead of just a couple days. But she did that immediately after Littlefinger brought up her name, so it seemed pretty obvious that was some ulterior motive to moving her out of Winterfell.
I still wonder if Sansa might just be parrying potential LF moves... he could say "y'know Bran can see everything and know all" and she might send him to Oldtown, to get him off the board. If it were real life I'd go with this, but since it's a story I figure there's more to it.
I wouldn't sweat my guess ruining anything, as so far I'm the one that predicted:
Melisandre would convince Dany to stand in the flames for a ritual
Randyll Tarly would remain loyal to the Tyrells so we could have he and Sam eventually reconcile next season
Drogon would be killed so Jon and Dany would each get "new" dragons to ride, with Jon having the larger of the two (since I think he's the lead)
Before that, I was one that strongly figured Brienne didn't kill Stannis since they didn't show the head chopped, and I thought Brienne's duty to save Sansa (the living) trumped her vow to awvenge Renly (the dead), and she needed every able swordsman she could muster.
In short, I've thrown a lot of theories out there, and while each has been plausible to me, I'm Oh-for.
This post was edited on 8/23/17 at 6:30 am
Posted on 8/23/17 at 6:59 am to LiveGold
That just looks like jon snow's fur to me. Why would she be standing behind everybody like a scared kid?
Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:35 am to ladytiger118
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I still have no clue why she asked if he'd punish Bronn and then told him to never betray her again. How was Jaime supposed to know he'd meet Tyrion??
The betrayal was probably the fact that Jamie didn't take Tyrion's head, like she's been asking for since season 4.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:38 am to iluvdatiger
So I saw Jeremy Podeswa is returning again for this episode. I guess that's fine and all, but I really hope Sapochnik is back for next year. Just to re-iterate (for anyone who may have forgotten, these are the episodes he has directed so far:
The Gift
Hardhome
Battle of the Bastards
The Winds of Winter
Also, instead of having different directors for each episode, wouldn't it make more sense to have different directors for each location?
The Gift
Hardhome
Battle of the Bastards
The Winds of Winter
Also, instead of having different directors for each episode, wouldn't it make more sense to have different directors for each location?
Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:44 am to Scoob
Could the night king take control of the mountain if he entered the mountains presence?
Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:49 am to Cow Drogo
Some of these main character escapes are starting to feel like the guy being saved by the dumpster in Walking Dead.
Jorah almost falls off but is miraculously grabbed.
Tormund is saved from wights who are attacking slower than any in the episode.
Jamie swimming half a mile in heavy armor
Etc.
Jorah almost falls off but is miraculously grabbed.
Tormund is saved from wights who are attacking slower than any in the episode.
Jamie swimming half a mile in heavy armor
Etc.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:59 am to weagle99
Yup
They will never have the balls yo do a red wedding type killing without the source material of it from a book.
They will never have the balls yo do a red wedding type killing without the source material of it from a book.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 8:04 am to weagle99
quote:
Jamie swimming half a mile in heavy armor
Yeah, but most of that armor was "plot armor"...
Posted on 8/23/17 at 8:08 am to OMLandshark
And look at how the tables have turned...Jon is now King in da Norf and Theon is dickless
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This post was edited on 8/23/17 at 8:09 am
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