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re: Game of Thrones S7 E7 "The Dragon and the Wolf" MAESTERS THREAD NO SPOILERS
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:14 am to bcoop199
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:14 am to bcoop199
quote:Like you could have done any better!!!!
There was so much build up to Jon and Dany having sex and it lasted about 10 seconds
It's been a while for Jon, cut him some slack.
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:15 am to hg
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The writing and dialogue has become terrible since the show passed up the books.
the entire vibe is different.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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i mean the stupidest plan outside of Dorne in the history of the show (getting a walker to show Cersei) is literally the piece that led to the army of the dead being able to invade. had they just sat tight, there would be no real risk. i mean how stupid do the writers think we are?
There would have been some sort of risk eventually. The part of that I was confused about is why not at least ask for a volunteer to take beyond the wall to die? Give him Tears of Lys or enough Milk of the Poppy then send him just outside the wall. Hell, you could even have him conveniently tied up already.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:17 am to CBandits82
oh 100%. i made a thread about it, i think possibly before last season after i did a whole series rewatch
season 1 is good (actually an amazing translation from the book) but has some budget/production flaws
seasons 2-3 are simply amazing and there is a steep cliff it fell off by season 5
the worst part is that they didn't HAVE to blow their budget on the CGI of pointless (Euron water battle scene) or stupid (Magnificent 7: beyond the wall) scenes. had they been smarter with the writing, we could have had 2, 10 episode seasons that fully fleshed out the story as it finished
instead? we get near bottom of the barrel-level writing and storytelling that has been geared towards pleasing fans and throwing action on the screen.
season 1 is good (actually an amazing translation from the book) but has some budget/production flaws
seasons 2-3 are simply amazing and there is a steep cliff it fell off by season 5
the worst part is that they didn't HAVE to blow their budget on the CGI of pointless (Euron water battle scene) or stupid (Magnificent 7: beyond the wall) scenes. had they been smarter with the writing, we could have had 2, 10 episode seasons that fully fleshed out the story as it finished
instead? we get near bottom of the barrel-level writing and storytelling that has been geared towards pleasing fans and throwing action on the screen.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:18 am to Bard
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The part of that I was confused about is why not at least ask for a volunteer to take beyond the wall to die? Give him Tears of Lys or enough Milk of the Poppy then send him just outside the wall.
or pick and old person who is about to die
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:18 am to ladytiger118
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How long will it take Jaime to catch up with everyone else heading North next season?
I was wondering if the wight army will get to Winterfell before the Dothraki since they are traveling by horse, and not by sea. Heck, even the people that went by boat won't have much time before the wight army gets there.
ETA: Unless the wall coming down happened a lot later than the previous scenes in the episode, which is definitely possible.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 10:24 am
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
The early seasons I felt like I had no idea what was coming next (non book reader), that anyone at anytime could be killed off. Now it seems like everyone knows what's coming next and that sucks. The show has lost a little bit of its mystique.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:22 am to Bamatab
It took the wights like 6 episodes to make it to the wall. The dothraki got this.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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or pick and old person who is about to die
Or a rapist or murderer in the cells. Ramsay would have been a good choice if they waited and thought this through. Surely they could find at least one in the Northern houses, especially from the surviving servants of House Bolton.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:27 am to OMLandshark
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Or a rapist or murderer in the cells. Ramsay would have been a good choice if they waited and thought this through. Surely they could find at least one in the Northern houses, especially from the surviving servants of House Bolton.
But them simply dying beyond the wall won't turn them into a wight. One of the white walkers has to raise them, right?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:30 am to Bamatab
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But them simply dying beyond the wall won't turn them into a wight. One of the white walkers has to raise them, right?
The Wildlings seem to hint them turning into a wight is inevitable, while last episode seems to indicate they are tied to an individual Walker. I'm honestly not completely sure.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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i mean the stupidest plan outside of Dorne in the history of the show (getting a walker to show Cersei) is literally the piece that led to the army of the dead being able to invade. had they just sat tight, there would be no real risk. i mean how stupid do the writers think we are?
It's more like how stupid is Jon Snow?
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the whole part of GOT that made it interesting and worth investing your time in was how it was non-conventional and everyone was in danger.
Yeah, there were a few moments last night where I thought Jaime was actually going to die. At this point they're kind of running out of people to kill I guess.
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Dorne has an army that is literally untouched from conflict and their leader is being kept by a queen whose army left for months
She was a usurper that stepped into a power vacuum she created herself. She's no more their leader than LF was the leader of the Vale. Last night we saw how interested the Vale was in helping LF.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 10:32 am
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:30 am to Bamatab
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But them simply dying beyond the wall won't turn them into a wight. One of the white walkers has to raise them, right?
uh, have you missed the like, 10-15 references to "Burn the bodies" re: people who weren't killed by wights?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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Bran: I can see everything.
Sam: Rhaegar annulled his first wife to marry Lyanna.
Bran: ......Well most things.
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:35 am to Green Chili Tiger
So now that we are back to waiting for the next (and last) season, here is the question that, at least for me, is the biggest unknown and will likely determine the end of the series:
What do the WW and the NK want? I mean, what is their goal? Domination and power don't really seem to make sense. So, what's driving them? Is it even important?
This is the one thing that I don't really have an answer to or even a suspicion about.
What do the WW and the NK want? I mean, what is their goal? Domination and power don't really seem to make sense. So, what's driving them? Is it even important?
This is the one thing that I don't really have an answer to or even a suspicion about.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:37 am to MardiGrasRazorback
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This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 10:38 am
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:39 am to OMLandshark
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The Wildlings seem to hint them turning into a wight is inevitable, while last episode seems to indicate they are tied to an individual Walker. I'm honestly not completely sure.
Hardhome episode spells this out precisely. They must be raised (and now apperently "die" when their master is slain). Wildling lore notwithstanding.
WHich raises an interesting question..... If you kill the NK do all the "others" and the "wights" die as he is the one at the top of the "family tree"?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:39 am to CBandits82
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Just getting to the thread, what is the vibe everyone got from the finale? I thought it was good in parts but disappointing in others.
I thought it was good in some parts and very good in a couple of places. It was better than some of the episodes this season.
But yeah, it is no longer reaching the heights that this series reached when it was really clicking. I think D&D are just not as good at actually creating narratives as Martin was at his best. Their talent seems to be at adaptation rather than original material. Of course they are apparently writing original material constrained by what I'm guessing are guidelines of the high points of how the story plays out.
If I were them, I'd choose a completed work for my next project. Or maybe take a really big flyer on trying something totally from scratch.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:40 am to MardiGrasRazorback
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What do the WW and the NK want? I mean, what is their goal?
Procreation. Which, for them, is killing people so that you can bring them back as your undead children.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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uh, have you missed the like, 10-15 references to "Burn the bodies" re: people who weren't killed by wights?
To be fair, while I've always thought this to be the implication as well, the Wildlings could have rightful fear that a Walker will eventually stumble upon the body and revive it.
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