re: First Full Review of Justice League - Surprise, Surprise, it’s an incoherent mess

I like both DC and MCU movies. I jump into these kerfuffles to point out the complete double standard this board has for Snyder/DC as opposed to Marvel or any of the other M/TV sacred cows (Nolan, in particular).

Someone claimed the bullet plot point in BvS was such a fatal flaw the movie was completely ruined for him. I point out the completely ridiculous and unbelievable plot point of recovering fingerprints from ridged bullets fired into concrete and get the equivalent of, "But Snyder sucks!"

I read where the CGI in BvS was over the top horrendous. I point out the Etch-A-Sketch quality CGI in The Winter Soldier. Crickets.

I could go on, but the point is if y'all don't acknowledge that the DC movies get put under a microscope here while Marvel gets a pass for even worse or shoddier filmmaking, you're not being honest.

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SOURCE: The Hollywood Reporter

The narrative of Justice League may have suffered from the director swap, sometimes feeling no need to explain certain elements or wrap up others. None of the elements are significant enough, however, to damage the fun viewing experience which does exactly what Justice League always needed to: leave fans wanting more of the best DC heroes. Justice League is the real deal. It's an epic ensemble of super heroes. It's the most fun you'll have with Batman and his super friends, until their next adventure together, and marks the beginning of a brand new era of super heroes on the DC side of the spectrum. [4/5]



SOURCE: ComicBook.com

Warner Bros. and DC Films had two major goals to achieve with Justice League. First, to cleanse the palette of those turned off by the relentlessly grim BvS; and second, to make viewers enjoy these superheroes enough to want to see further screen appearances by them. Justice League mostly succeeds in accomplishing those two key objectives, despite its sloppy execution. It’s messy and flawed but it still offers enough entertainment value (mostly thanks to its likable characters) to make it worthwhile. [7.0]


SOURCE: IGN

The Justice League is finally on screen in live action! This is a big deal! The movie, however, isn’t a big deal. At least when you walked out of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice or Suicide Squad, you had some sort of reaction — even if it was negative. When you walked out of Wonder Woman, you also had a reaction, which was likely very positive. Justice League, however, leaves you with no reaction, because it means nothing. It’s not good enough to get excited about and it’s not bad enough to get worked up about. It’s just there — mediocre, forgettable, and insignificant. [6.5]



SOURCE: Bleeding Cool

So Justice League leaves you hoping for next time. Did you like the brief trip to Atlantis? Wait until you see Aquaman. Did you like Wonder Woman taking on a leadership role? Wonder Woman 2 arrives November 2019. Did you laugh at all of Flash’s lines? Well there might be a Flashpoint movie down the road. Next time we’ll get it right. Next time we’ll be hopeful enough. Next time you’ll care about the villain. Next time you’ll get a Justice League that will really knock your socks off, but thanks acknowledging that at least this one isn’t as bad as Batman v Superman. The only thing that “saves” Justice League is a low bar and more promises. [D+]



SOURCE: Collider

CGI villains also continue to plague the DC superhero lineup. Doomsday was a huge miss in BvS, Ares was atrocious in Wonder Woman, and Steppenwolf is another large fail. Cate Blanchett, currently vamping it up in Thor: Ragnarok, is a reminder that there’s something special about a tangible villain. But Justice League does more right than wrong. Instead of having its heroes punch each other a lot, most of the tension comes from philosophical differences on what it means to serve the greater good, and the movie also pays homage to what’s come before, with Danny Elfman’s phenomenal score successfully weaving and twisting Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman themes. From sounds to characters, Justice is indeed served.



SOURCE: USA Today

It’s obvious to anyone watching Justice League next to the other DC films that the studio brass handed down a mandate to lighten the mood and make things funnier and more Marvel-y. And, to an extent, Justice League accomplishes that. But it also feels like so much attention was paid to the smaller, fizzier character moments that the bigger picture of the film’s overarching plot was a second or third priority. Some day, hopefully soon, DC will get the recipe right again and duplicate Wonder Woman’s storytelling magic. But today isn’t that day, and Justice League unfortunately isn’t that film. [C+]

SOURCE: Entertainment Weekly

Justice League is at its best when focused squarely on the heroes and their interactions, and it's a shame that so much time is spent on bringing them all together, as the film never really takes off until the team is formed. But the majority of the second half is exactly the kind of thing DC fans have long dreamed of seeing on the big screen, with Wonder Woman slashing away at Steppenwolf while Batman keeps an army of parademons at bay and The Flash zips in and out of the room to rescue hostages. There's an undeniable joy in watching the publisher's most iconic characters team up to kick some alien arse, and Justice League delivers just the sort of fun and exciting adventure the DCEU needs to keep this franchise moving in the right direction.



SOURCE: The Wrap

Credit to Snyder for bringing together the right people for the job, as they salvage much of what is broken otherwise here. In the end, JUSTICE LEAGUE comes together as a launching off point kind of film, rather than the end-all-be-all JUSTICE LEAGUE film we've been waiting for. But, is that really a bad thing? Perhaps that's just what was needed and it's very likely most people will walk out wanting to see more of these characters in solo efforts or sequels and that's a good bit of hope to take with you out of



SOURCE: Variety

All of the shiny new heroes and witty one-liners and color, oh, sweet color, draws the eye, but there's still something rotten at the center of all this, keeping it from becoming the epic team-up it strives to be. It certainly doesn't help that Justice League arrives after Wonder Woman, a breath of fresh air, and Thor: Ragnarok, so goofy and original and dynamic. How do you solve a problem like the DC Extended Universe, then? I'm not sure there is an easy answer, but there are pieces crammed into Justice League that are promising. And that's all it takes to stay excited about what could come.

SOURCE: Entertainment Tonight

I’m happy to say, fans on both sides of the DCEU debate will get plenty of what they hope for, while mainstream audiences are definitely going to be perhaps the most all-around pleased and enthusiastic about Justice League. It retains enough of the DNA of the previous films to be recognizable as their successor, while carving out a new space closer to the tone and style of action-adventure superheroism found in Wonder Woman. And it offers average movie-goers the sort of chest-swelling sense of heroism and pure joyful entertainment they love and reward with their hard-earned dollars at the box office.

SOURCE: Forbes

Despite all of these problems, which can’t be ignored, Justice League isn’t entirely unenjoyable. There are good, cute and funny moments that the editing team should be applauded for, but there aren’t enough to distract from the beautiful, chaotic mess that Justice League ends up being. It’s difficult to try and explain whether Justice League fails or succeeds as a movie because the film feels like it’s still trying to figure out what it wants to be. I just know that I wanted Justice League to be better than the movie I saw.

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Someone claimed the bullet plot point in BvS was such a fatal flaw the movie was completely ruined for him. I point out the completely ridiculous and unbelievable plot point of recovering fingerprints from ridged bullets fired into concrete and get the equivalent of, "But Snyder sucks!"

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You don't see the difference.

Lex Luthor used a prototype bullet, seemingly for no reason at all other than Snyder needed it for the plot, that he invented to try to secretly set up Superman by trying to show that Superman would use a gun to kill some soldiers in a foreign land or something and then Lois Lane somehow found that bullet or some such nonsense. The whole thing made no sense.

Batman used future Scifi tech to reconstruct a crime scene clue and then used that clue to track down a pawn in Joker's game. People leave fingerprints when they touch things, so he matched the brick and the bullet, dug the bullet out of the brick, and then pieced it back together to find a clue, a fingerprint.

The Joker didn't invent and patent a bullet and then use that bullet to try to kill someone which then led to ahh frick it I'm tired of this conversation and the explanation. If you can't see the difference, then I can't help you.

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I could go on, but the point is if y'all don't acknowledge that the DC movies get put under a microscope here while Marvel gets a pass for even worse or shoddier filmmaking, you're not being honest.

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Oh, dis gon be gud

You got taken behind the woodshed in this thread. Embarrassing.

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It's hilarious how some of you always jump to calling others DC fanboys simply because we don't like the MCU films.

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Did either poster you are referring to mention not liking MCU? This is the second time in a week you've tried to use this argument when this topic comes up without it being relevant at all.

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He likes to bait you guys and you Marvel fans always take the bait.

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Are you illiterate? Most of the people shitting on him are DC fans.

Never really gave much thought to it. But, I guess i'm more of a marvel fan. Thinking i like more of the marvel characters than DC characters.

Although Flash is one of my all time favorites.


i'm so confused !

But but it got a standing ovation at the special screening??!

I have never read a comic, yet I'm somehow a "MCU fanboi" because I like to be entertained with good characters and plot. So Thor 2 sucked and WW was fun, but lol at me, right?