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Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:20 am to CU_Tigers4life
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What will they say when Deadpool cleans up?
People are willing to go, if they are confident it is going to be good. . .and not preachy
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Those types of movies will be the outliers. Not too long ago this was the time movies were literally printing money because it was the only way to see a current movie..even shitty movies had a good chance of making bank. Not anymore.
Production companies just aren't willing to take risks. Its way easier to say "Throw Iron Man/A lightsaber/Sydney Sweeny into _____ movie" so it sells.
Getting Deadpool made at all took Ryan Reynolds shouldering the load and really busting arse to get it done, and it took years. Once the money came he was able to continue. I guess its not a bad example of an outlier because in that sense it definitely is, but I see it more in a sense of "We will let X director do what he wants because hes so good" which still happens a lot.
I think its also hard for movies to compete with series nowadays. You get a much deeper and complete story with a series, and you have multiple streaming services competing to fund them. Americans have shown really even before streaming that we will get behind a good series and it can become a cultural phenomenon.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:01 am to LanierSpots
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Like everything else in this time, they have lost 50% of them. The other 50% think they are doing a great job
It is what it is
Perhaps. The thing is there is a market for the Mary Sue girl boss hero. I know women who just want the fantasy of a woman beating up men.
But it is a smaller market than the traditional action hero genre. For the sake of comparison? Kids are the target audience for kids entertainment but I will go see a really good kids movie. You still don't set out to make kids movies with me in mind. I'm part of a smaller group of potential viewers.
There are types of movies just rarely or not being made that would make money. The sex comedy genre for example. The horror genre debatably is also changing and veering away from the graphic sex component to more the graphic violence. That seems likely to be more of a studio decision than a profit driven decision.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:26 am to WicKed WayZ
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2. Companies pushing digital releases early as soon as there is any sign of trouble at the box office. And even when there’s not. Hollywood is obsessed with digital platforms right now, just a reflection of the younger generation.
3. It costs too much to go as a family
I know the go woke go broke crowd wants to chalk this all up to a win for them but these are really the bigger issues
People are already paying for 8 different streaming services and figure most of the shite that’s in theaters will be on one of the services they’re already paying for in a few weeks so why bother ?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:18 am to Roaad
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They have made some good shite, and people are staying home.
Costs a ton of money to go to the theater to deal with assholes.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:02 am to Roaad
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When did anyone trust Hollywood?
up until 2010ish. . .tons and tons of people.
Nope, I never trusted Hollywood? Trusted them for what? I just expect them to entertain me. If I don't like it, I watch something else. So no. They were never some entity to be trusted. Your question truly doesn't make sense. It's like you were looking to them for validation or something.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:06 am to LaLadyinTx
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Nope, I never trusted Hollywood? Trusted them for what? I just expect them to entertain me. If I don't like it, I watch something else. So no. They were never some entity to be trusted. Your question truly doesn't make sense. It's like you were looking to them for validation or something.
People probably thought the studios would not try to indoctrinate their children. That is gone. For adults the term trust should be replaced with expect. I used to expect quality and now i expect garbage.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:27 am to LaLadyinTx
quote:To put out quality products that weren't simply vehicles for overt social and political messaging
Trusted them for what?
quote:I am interested to know how you read that question.
Your question truly doesn't make sense.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:30 am to BilJ
quote:I talked about all of that. I am not saying the lost trust is THE ONLY problem, I am saying it is A big problem.
I know the go woke go broke crowd wants to chalk this all up to a win for them but these are really the bigger issues
Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:54 pm to Roaad
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Do you feel Hollywood has lost the trust of the viewer?
Hollywood got wrapped up in it's own weird bubble and forgot who their customer is. It ain't a bunch of wokeies
Posted on 5/28/24 at 3:47 pm to WicKed WayZ
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But then you have a movie like Wonka make $600M so who the frick knows
It was a quality movie for kids that didn’t push any bullshite. It was well done and parents still like taking their kids to see a movie if it’s good (and kids, especially young ones still enjoy it).
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 5/28/24 at 4:50 pm to Roaad
This is silly. I've never "trusted" Hollywood, nor do I know anyone who ever has.
If movies are good, well done, marketed well, and have content people want to see, they will go see it. There are too many options for entertainment these days for people to just "go to the movies" to see whatever slop is thrown on the screen. Adapt or die. Produce movies that people want to see and market those movies well, and Hollywood will be fine.
Take a movie like The Fall Guy. It was really good, actually. It was a fun movie that was totally worth seeing in the theater. But, it was marketed terribly. The marketing needs to be a lot better so people actually have an idea what the movie is and why they should spend $30 per person (ticket and snacks) for the theater experience. Marketing really needs to step it up along with the actual content of the movies themselves.
If movies are good, well done, marketed well, and have content people want to see, they will go see it. There are too many options for entertainment these days for people to just "go to the movies" to see whatever slop is thrown on the screen. Adapt or die. Produce movies that people want to see and market those movies well, and Hollywood will be fine.
Take a movie like The Fall Guy. It was really good, actually. It was a fun movie that was totally worth seeing in the theater. But, it was marketed terribly. The marketing needs to be a lot better so people actually have an idea what the movie is and why they should spend $30 per person (ticket and snacks) for the theater experience. Marketing really needs to step it up along with the actual content of the movies themselves.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 5:38 pm to AlaTiger
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This is silly. I've never "trusted" Hollywood, nor do I know anyone who ever has.
Agreed. It's just an easy trope to throw around on a message board- especially as red meat. . "Hollywood" is not a monolithic entity. It is not a homogenous entity. The only truly unifying aspect of it is profit. The same as when people say "Don't trust The Government as if it is not made up of many discrete parts and entities. It's easier than thinking it through though, which is why this site traffics in so much of it.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 6:12 pm to Roaad
I trust that most new movies are probably gonna kinda suck. They have lost their way....like the Little Puppy.
In the 80s, I trusted that....
Movies were going to be awesome....and simply about unbridled entertainment.
In the 80s, I trusted that....
Movies were going to be awesome....and simply about unbridled entertainment.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 10:15 am to AlaTiger
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Marketing really needs to step it up along with the actual content of the movies themselves.
Couldn’t agree more with this. For the budgets they have, most marketing for expected hits is absolutely terrible.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:23 am to Roaad
The 26 downvotes are those who like the groomer agenda
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:35 am to Roaad
its not even just "woke" stuff, its blatant anti white hatred by blacks/jews/indians/latinx etc.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:48 am to boogiewoogie1978
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Hollywood got wrapped up in it's own weird bubble and forgot who their customer is. It ain't a bunch of wokeies
It's always been like this, it's why the Hays Code was imposed on Hollywood
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:24 pm to Roaad
I historically was a guy that wanted to catch every big release in the theater, I like movies... if there's a family movie, we were there.
But I agree, when they started changing things "just" to check boxes, I became disengaged. There are some movies that I have yet see, nor do I care to really ever involve myself with.
Just pulled up BoxOfficeMojo to see what the top movies of the year are so far. Was suprised how few I've seen.
I've seen 2 out of the top 20. Two!
2023 - 11 out of 20, but one was also on 2024 list
2022 - 10 out of 20
2021 - 14 out of 20
2019 - 19 out of 20
2018 - 19 out of 20
2017 - 18 out of 20
(note these don't include movies I may have caught later streaming, etc...)
But I agree, when they started changing things "just" to check boxes, I became disengaged. There are some movies that I have yet see, nor do I care to really ever involve myself with.
Just pulled up BoxOfficeMojo to see what the top movies of the year are so far. Was suprised how few I've seen.
I've seen 2 out of the top 20. Two!
2023 - 11 out of 20, but one was also on 2024 list
2022 - 10 out of 20
2021 - 14 out of 20
2019 - 19 out of 20
2018 - 19 out of 20
2017 - 18 out of 20
(note these don't include movies I may have caught later streaming, etc...)
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:19 pm to rebelrouser
quote:Good point; Disney historically used to be synonymous with "children's entertainment". That's going pre-90's for sure. Good, clean, G-rated things made well, that would generally appeal to an innocent mind and not offend parents.
People probably thought the studios would not try to indoctrinate their children. That is gone. For adults the term trust should be replaced with expect. I used to expect quality and now i expect garbage.
When my adult son was a child, we didn't watch the Disney Channel much, because there was way too much sass and snark, and I wanted exposure to more wholesome, gentle things like Little Bear, the original Pooh stories etc. Disney has gotten worse, in that not only do they promote sassiness, they're actively introducing sexual deviance. That's something I and most parents want to avoid.
I find it somewhat telling that you get pre-warnings if a show has strong language or smoking, but nothing regarding homosexual behavior.
TL DR version: you used to not have to screen a Disney children's show or movie, now you do. That indicates a serious loss of trust.
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