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Do you feel Hollywood has lost the trust of the viewer?
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:25 am
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:25 am
They pushed woke stuff around internally, and in several products. . .particularly after the BLM riots.
Disney got into the much publicized battle with DeSantis (not so secret gay agenda, et al), for example
This has led to the perception that they are pushing messaging.
I think the actual "messaging" in movies this year has been less than it was even before covid, but the perception is that it is increasing.
How much do you think the perception of pervasive woke messaging is contributing to the box office decline?
How can Hollywood win back the consumer's trust? They can't just come out and say they are stopping, or apologize, because then they'd lose dollars from the other half.
Disney got into the much publicized battle with DeSantis (not so secret gay agenda, et al), for example
This has led to the perception that they are pushing messaging.
I think the actual "messaging" in movies this year has been less than it was even before covid, but the perception is that it is increasing.
How much do you think the perception of pervasive woke messaging is contributing to the box office decline?
How can Hollywood win back the consumer's trust? They can't just come out and say they are stopping, or apologize, because then they'd lose dollars from the other half.
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:31 am to Roaad
When did anyone trust Hollywood?
It’s simple, provide a good product and people will buy it.
It’s simple, provide a good product and people will buy it.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:33 am to kciDAtaE
They aren’t & people aren’t either.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:34 am to kciDAtaE
quote:up until 2010ish. . .tons and tons of people.
When did anyone trust Hollywood?
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:34 am to Roaad
It's over. The Social influencer's are pushing Hollywood to the side. People like Mr.Beast has A list celebrities kissing his arse to be in one of his videos. You have top stars eating hot chicken wings online humiliating themselves to be seen...
The continuing trend of box office bombs clearly shows people are finding different forms of entertainment
The continuing trend of box office bombs clearly shows people are finding different forms of entertainment
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 11:36 am
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:36 am to CU_Tigers4life
What will they say when Deadpool cleans up?
People are willing to go, if they are confident it is going to be good. . .and not preachy
People are willing to go, if they are confident it is going to be good. . .and not preachy
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:39 am to Roaad
If they produce good shite, nobody will remember
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:40 am to Roaad
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What will they say when Deadpool cleans up?
People are willing to go, if they are confident it is going to be good. . .and not preachy
Those types of movies will be the outliers. Not too long ago this was the time movies were literally printing money because it was the only way to see a current movie..even shitty movies had a good chance of making bank. Not anymore.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:42 am to Roaad
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What will they say when Deadpool cleans up?
That it’s an exception and not the rule. Like I’m going to see it, but I have no further interest in the MCU.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:45 am to OMLandshark
quote:But why is it the exception?
That it’s an exception
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:47 am to Roaad
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But why is it the exception?
Because Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman have built up trust with their audience and haven’t slandered them for starters. Deadpool 1 and 2 were great, so there’s no real reason to doubt it as much.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:They have made some good shite, and people are staying home.
If they produce good shite, nobody will remember
I think a decent part of that is lack of trust.
I don't know how much, but I feel it is significant. I am aware that streaming and inflation also play significant roles
The highest grossing film so far in 2024, Dune 2, woulda ranked 7th last year, 9th the year before, 13th in 2019
Dune 2, Fall Guy, and (I am hearing) Furiosa are all good movies.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:53 am to OMLandshark
quote:Which goes back to my point.
Because Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman have built up trust with their audience
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:04 pm to Roaad
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I don't know how much, but I feel it is significant. I am aware that streaming and inflation also play significant roles
Streaming quickly after being in theaters is playing a massive role, also getting completely arse-raped each time you visit a theater is another massive reason I don't frequent them more often.
Example: Recently saw Godzilla x Kong in theaters since my son asked to go see it but when I went to buy tickets online (ticket counters are no longer a thing) they tried adding a $10 convenience fee.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:06 pm to Roaad
It’s too easy to watch new movies at home if you wait three weeks. Unless it’s an event movie that’s designed for the big screen, most people have enough options at their fingertips to wait a few weeks and watch it at home for a fraction of the price.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:06 pm to CU_Tigers4life
quote:
The continuing trend of box office bombs clearly shows people are finding different forms of entertainment
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:07 pm to Roaad
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They have made some good shite, and people are staying home.
I think a decent part of that is lack of trust.
Well my post implied some momentum.
It's not as much lack of trust as much as a momentum of 5-ish years of shite movies for the most part. It's not the politics, just the output.
People went to see Dune 2. People will go see Deadpool 3.
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I don't know how much, but I feel it is significant. I am aware that streaming and inflation also play significant roles
The paradigm (the content version, not the political version) has shifted, but it can theoretically shift back. The economy is certainly an issue.
I think a big thing Hollywood has to realize is that just because a movie has major CGI set pieces doesn't make it "theater worthy" anymore (kind of a parallel to people now accepting my 2006-ish argument about live sporting events being fine at home v. in person). You have to have a movie with a spectacle worthy of the theater, like Dune 2, which had incredible scope, sound mixing, etc. in addition to great CGI.
I still think that we are on the verge of a 90s reboot with smaller movies and bigger profit margins looking attractive. Tons of creators online who should get shots at lower budget output. Comedy and horror can always shift back into this, too.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I dunno. I think it is both. Maybe not in equal measure, but for sure people are staying away from some films because of messaging.
. It's not the politics, just the output.
I mean, I don't even think it is a controversial thing to suggest anymore.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:13 pm to Roaad
quote:what a naive stupid statement. Hollywood has always been about indoctrination. most of you just think no big deal.
This has led to the perception that they are pushing messaging.
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:14 pm to Roaad
Most people don’t think about these things.
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