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Board favorite Rings of Power season 3 drops today
Posted on 11/11/26 at 9:46 am
Posted on 11/11/26 at 9:46 am
Who's watching for the Orc with an arc?
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In Rings of Power, Orcs are not simply rampaging monsters. They are more complex, with distinct personalities and deeply personal motivations. Fans even got a glimpse of an Orc family last season when we met the Orc Glûg, his wife and child. Of course, Sauron viciously kills Glûg to sow distrust among the other Orcs and turn them against Adar. But that tragic ending underscores how in the Second Age, the Orcs are more than just mindless cannon fodder.
The expansion of the Orcs as a more complicated aspect of Middle-earth continues in Season 3 as we are introduced to the character of Marnûkh, an Orc unlike any we’ve ever seen in a Tolkien adaptation. He appears in Rivendell claiming to be a defector from Sauron’s army who wants to help the Elves fight back. “He claims to know all kinds of things about Sauron's strategy and reveals to the Elves that Sauron is trying to make the One Ring,” says McKay. “And if he succeeds, he will defeat everyone, including the Orcs, because the One Ring will now make them subservient to him, slaves to him forever, and there'll never be another Orc rebellion like Adar, who died last season, led.”
Marnûkh is a character meant to challenge long-held perceptions of Orcs. He’s such a departure from past depictions that within the production, Marnûkh has picked up the catchy nickname, “the Orc with an arc.”
Posted on 11/11/26 at 9:51 am to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 11/11/26 at 9:55 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Bisexual love triangle between Guyladriel, Sauron and Celeborn
“The age of man of over”
“The age of man of over”
Posted on 11/11/26 at 9:57 am to iwyLSUiwy
I had no idea they were doing a third season
Posted on 11/11/26 at 10:13 am to Proximo
There's almost certainly going to be 5 seasons. Most said it would be cancelled after season one but it doesn't matter if season three and four only had 15 viewers total each week and lose 100 million a season, Bezos is going to pay for it to keep going.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 10:26 am to iwyLSUiwy
He has the money to keep it going forever but this is so weird. I hear nothing anymore about this series except on this board.
I wonder how much money he has lost on this. Hard to figure an amount since I assume they write it off as part of Prime advertising or some such.
I wonder how much money he has lost on this. Hard to figure an amount since I assume they write it off as part of Prime advertising or some such.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 10:44 am to iwyLSUiwy
Bezos had to fulfill his orc fantasy and spent hundreds of millions to do it
Posted on 11/11/26 at 10:55 am to iwyLSUiwy
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In Rings of Power, Orcs are not simply rampaging monsters.
Literally goes against everything Tolkien wrote about them. The "orc with an arc" is another attempt by Hollywood to redefine evil as a misunderstanding thus denying its true existence.
Orcs represent the chaos and destructive nature of evil and the corruption of all things good. Unironically, the showrunners have become what they are trying to redefine.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 11:07 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:Maybe, but they did cancel Wheel of Time. It's not quit the same thing, but after what they've done so far, there is no way to save this, especially given what we know so far about the orc and the love triangle.
it doesn't matter if season three and four only had 15 viewers total each week and lose 100 million a season, Bezos is going to pay for it to keep going.
I bailed midway through season 1. It's just too absurdly bad.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 11:35 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Rings of Power season 3 drops today
This can’t be true, right?
Posted on 11/11/26 at 11:53 am to Boss13
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Literally goes against everything Tolkien wrote about them.
Not to defend RoP which has gone beyond off-the-rails in so many ways that it shouldn't be considered in any serious conversation about the Tolkien universe. But Tolkien did mention that there were orc spies that worked with/for both elves and men to leak all sorts of key information. Presumably this was reliable intel and consistently available. And there are passages where orcs are openly showing their disdain for Sauron, not even bothering to hide it, even right there in the presence of the Eye. Before Sauron made his return, they had their own kingdoms and even fought wars against each other. They weren't opposed to making alliances with dwarves.
Now I think the idea of a 'defecting' orc is absurd. But I could see an orc spy who had firmly long-term established relations with elves and men, and despised Sauron, for whatever reasons some orcs apparently did despise Sauron, being a plausible character. I cannot see an orc 'defecting' though. That idea demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the Tolkien universe.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 11:56 am to Boss13
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The "orc with an arc" is another attempt by Hollywood to redefine evil as a misunderstanding thus denying its true existence.
Whoa dude thats so true. Package evil as morally ambiguous… what complete and utter shite
Posted on 11/11/26 at 12:05 pm to Boss13
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The "orc with an arc" is another attempt by Hollywood to redefine evil as a misunderstanding thus denying its true existence.
So I am not defending this show by any means but I think they went this route for two reasons.
1) Every single villain now seems like it has to have some sympathy. Like the Joker movie. I enjoyed the movie but you know I would have been fine going my entire life without seeing a movie that makes me have some sympathy for the joker. 10x more so with an orc. Some things are just all evil and there's nothing wrong with that. It's how it was written and intended. But it started off small last season with the orc that had a family and a baby and lost it's home. So we were supposed to feel bad for it. Now they are taking it a step further and giving one an entire storyline and it's going to be good I guess.
2) They want to go a Frodo, Sam and Gollum journey feel to it. It'll be Galadriel, Arondir and the orc and the orc assisting them on a journey like Gollum did. I guess Galadriel will be kind of trusing on it like Frodo and Arondir will hate it like Sam did. Just a cheap trick imo.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 12:13 pm to blueboy
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Maybe, but they did cancel Wheel of Time. It's not quit the same thing, but after what they've done so far, there is no way to save this
I think Bezos has quite a bit more affinity for this than he did WoT.
Something I didn't know that I just read was that Amazon apparently has some stiff penalties with the Tolkien estate if the show is cut short. 20 million per season. Which is relatively little compared to what each season cost but still.
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I bailed midway through season 1. It's just too absurdly bad
You were in the majority in doing that. Looks like only 37% of people who watched the premiere of RoP actually finished it.
Since it cost 400-500 million per season I have a hard time seeing it making any money but it apparently has made more than WoT. I'm not big into the numbers but it seems like Amazon is more guarded with their numbers.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 12:32 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 11/11/26 at 12:46 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I had no idea there was a S2. I hear nothing about this show. How is it still going?
I bailed after ep2 of S1. It was so bad.
Does it get better? It must...right?
I bailed after ep2 of S1. It was so bad.
Does it get better? It must...right?
Posted on 11/11/26 at 12:50 pm to Salmon
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Does it get better?
Posted on 11/11/26 at 1:27 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Every single villain now seems like it has to have some sympathy.
And every hero is morally ambiguous or "complex".
The goal is to destroy any overriding concept of morality and redefine it in stupid humanistic terms revolving around shifting concepts of identity. Therefore orcs - a metaphor - become an identity and as such, have to be processed through the torturous collectivist lens most hollywood elite think themselves to be a part of... often in their gated estates or exclusive communities.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 1:31 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Everything about this show is god awful.
Well everything but the Tom Bombadil song scene. How TF they got that one thing right i have no idea.
Well everything but the Tom Bombadil song scene. How TF they got that one thing right i have no idea.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 1:33 pm to Boss13
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Literally goes against everything Tolkien wrote about them. The "orc with an arc" is another attempt by Hollywood to redefine evil as a misunderstanding thus denying its true existence.
Orcs represent the chaos and destructive nature of evil and the corruption of all things good. Unironically, the showrunners have become what they are trying to redefine.
The thing is, when done right, it CAN be really good.
The goblin that joins the party and learns to be good, the troll that just wants to be left alone.
Hell, R.A. Salvatore has at least 22 best selling novels thanks to the premise of a good character from an evil society (Drizzt).
When it's done wrong though... oof.
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