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re: Board favorite Rings of Power season 3 drops today
Posted on 11/11/26 at 1:37 pm to Salmon
Posted on 11/11/26 at 1:37 pm to Salmon
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Does it get better? It must...right?
I don't think so. I think it's just kind of equally as bad throughout. This is the one show I watch that I hate. And I mainly watch just so I can see how far off from Tolkien they get. Two guys in the office watch it and love it so I watch so I can talk about how dumb it is.
If I'm being honest and not being a complete hater, I could find a few small areas to give it credit. The orcs look really good. Legit evil looking and good costume wear with them. Though now making some of them good kind of defeats that good aspect of the show. They did a good job with most of the Dwarves. Though their story line got pretty bad in season two and kind of ruined that bit. By far the best thing they did was Annatar and his deception of Celebrimbor. It felt like a pretty accurate take.
The good is offset by so many more bad parts though. Changes to deep deep lore that should never be touched. In particular the light of the trees and Gandalf's backstory. The ending to season two had Sauron literally stab Galadriel through the heart and then she falls off a cliff and a scene later she is awake and recovering. Not kidding. I remember Corinthians420 (think he got the ban hammer) defending it by saying "You realize a person last year survived a parachute crash don't you??"
Don't know what it means but the early reviews from Rotten Tomatoes for S3 are higher than the first two seasons.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 1:41 pm to skrayper
quote:. . .that are good for about 4 or 5 books
Hell, R.A. Salvatore has at least 22 best selling novels thanks to the premise of a good character from an evil society (Drizzt).
Then he becomes a full on Mary Sue, and death is little more than momentarily inconvenient.
Salvatore is a parody of Salvatore
Posted on 11/11/26 at 1:43 pm to AUCom96
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And every hero is morally ambiguous or "complex".
Because there are too many women in writer's rooms. Women, generally speaking, do not understand male heroism at a base level. Because of that, the writing shows aversion to the concept, and ALWAYS pull back from clear displays of duty-bound heroism.
This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 11/11/26 at 1:54 pm to Roaad
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. . .that are good for about 4 or 5 books
Then he becomes a full on Mary Sue, and death is little more than momentarily inconvenient.
Salvatore is a parody of Salvatore
Okay, but that doesn't negate the argument. Drizzt's original novels, that shows him growing up in Menzoberranzan, struggling to survive in an evil society, are great books.
I agree he goes full on Mary Sue later, but that's not a problem with him being a good person from an evil race.
So if the issue folks have is just that the orc defected because they are supposed to all be evil needs to have the same issue every other time it's occurred in literature; otherwise, they need to specify if it's because of bad writing, poor execution, or just wanting to pile on hate for something they already hated for completely unrelated reasons.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 2:00 pm to skrayper
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So if the issue folks have is just that the orc defected because they are supposed to all be evil needs to have the same issue every other time it's occurred in literature; otherwise, they need to specify if it's because of bad writing, poor execution, or just wanting to pile on hate for something they already hated for completely unrelated reasons.
I know this wasn't in reply to me and I've never read Salvatore but what you're describing is what the author wrote. If that's what he wrote, then fine.
The story line of what this show is doing is not what Tolkien wrote. It's quite literally completely opposite of what he wanted the character to be. The writers of the show acknowledged that. That's the issue.
If Tolkien at some point had told a story about an orc defecting or there being an orc with some good in him, even in the appendices, i could see them going this direction, but that's not the case.
But I also don't think the reason they are doing this is Hollywood elites trying to change the perception of evil itself. i listed the two reasons I thought they went this way.
This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 11/11/26 at 2:25 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I know this wasn't in reply to me and I've never read Salvatore but what you're describing is what the author wrote. If that's what he wrote, then fine.
The story line of what this show is doing is not what Tolkien wrote. It's quite literally completely opposite of what he wanted the character to be. The writers of the show acknowledged that. That's the issue.
Fair; it's just that in the example of Drizzt, Salvatore didn't invent Dark Elves; Gary Gygax created them and their culture.
That said, Tolkein was actually asked about this in a letter.
(Answer from stackexchange):
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The wickedness of Orcs is addressed in The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien. In "Letter 269" (from 12 May 1965), Tolkien responds to a question by W.H. Auden asking if the notion of Orcs as an irredeemably wicked race was heretical. Tolkien's letter suggests that, in the real world, Orcs would not be completely irredeemable:
With regard to The Lord of the Rings, I cannot claim to be a sufficient theologian to say whether my notion of orcs is heretical or not. I don't feel under any obligation to make my story fit with formalized Christian theology, though I actually intended it to be consonant with Christian thought and belief, which is asserted somewhere, Book Five, page 190,1 where Frodo asserts that the orcs are not evil in origin. We believe that, I suppose, of all human kinds and sons and breeds, though some appear, both as individuals and groups to be, by us at any rate, unredeemable.....
Here is the relevant footnote:
[269] 1. '"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs: it only ruined them and twisted them."'
Interestingly enough, Tolkein never actually settles on an origin of the orcs. In some cases he says they are elves that were tortured and corrupted by Morgoth; in other works, he claims they may have been other races or spawned completely from slime and heat.
It's a shame that what could be an interesting conversation (where do orcs and their origins fit within Tolkein's values and his writings) is juxtaposed against such a horrid, horrid TV show.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 2:26 pm to Salmon
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Does it get better? It must...right?
Posted on 11/11/26 at 2:57 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Thanks 
Looks like I'll continue to ignore its existence
Looks like I'll continue to ignore its existence
Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:49 pm to Proximo
I watched the first two seasons. I don’t consider it in anyway cannon and view it just as a generic fantasy show. With that in mind, it’s an ok show.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 7:07 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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They want to go a Frodo, Sam and Gollum journey feel to it. It'll be Galadriel, Arondir and the orc and the orc assisting them on a journey like Gollum did. I guess Galadriel will be kind of trusing on it like Frodo and Arondir will hate it like Sam did. Just a cheap trick imo.
Not saying you’re wrong or stupid, but if this is their motivation or goal then THEY are stupid as frick
That’s just not how this universe is. Gollum was corrupted by the ring, but he didn’t start off as pure evil as the orcs did
I agree with the other poster about Hollywood trying to erase the idea of evil as EVIL. They’re trying to make it not exist and if they can do it with the most black and white example like orcs, they can (try to) do it with anything.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 7:44 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Yeah im too apathetic to even hate watch or even watch the youtubers bash it(which is entertaining)
Posted on 11/11/26 at 8:49 pm to JohnnyMackBrown
The Sauron/Celebrimbor stuff in season 2 was good. Overall, it's high production value. Writing is "questionable" and the plot is meandering.
"Lets spend all this money on these 5 sets then have the plot move at such a glacial pace that they almost never leave them." The "hobbit" stuff was the worst offender of this, but I am to understand that they have been cut from the show this season?
"Lets spend all this money on these 5 sets then have the plot move at such a glacial pace that they almost never leave them." The "hobbit" stuff was the worst offender of this, but I am to understand that they have been cut from the show this season?
This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 8:50 pm
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