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Posted on 2/22/16 at 7:36 am to Hugo Stiglitz
WTF? Those two weren't even remotely close to being the biggest Oscar shams in history. Especially Annie Hall over Star Wars. Both of those movies were equally great. The biggest Oscar shams in history were Ordinary People winning over Raging Bull, Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas, How Green Was My Valley beating out Citizen Kane and Singin' In The Rain not even getting nominated for Best Picture in a year when The Greatest Show on Earth ended up winning Best Picture.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 7:55 am to Bench McElroy
About 5 years ago, what did the silent film (forgot name) beat?
Posted on 2/22/16 at 8:10 am to Hugo Stiglitz
Leo over Fassbender
Posted on 2/22/16 at 8:12 am to Hugo Stiglitz
Annie Hall is incredible. Neither Shakespeare in Love nor Saving Private Ryan were anything special.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 8:21 am to LSU alum wannabe
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About 5 years ago, what did the silent film (forgot name) beat?
The Artist beat out:
The Descendants
Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close
The Help
Hugo
Midnight in Paris
Moneyball
The Tree of Life
War Horse
I didn't like The Artist at all but it was a very weak year for film that year. Tree of Life was the most memorable film of the bunch but it was an extremely polarizing movie. Everybody thought it was brilliant or terrible. There was no in-between. Hugo was a charming little film but it was far from being one of Scorsese's best. And I don't think any of the other movies were better than The Artist especially The Help and War Horse. So I can't really hate too much on The Artist being awarded Best Picture that year.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 8:23 am to Bench McElroy
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The Artist beat out:
The Descendants
Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close
The Help
Hugo
Midnight in Paris
Moneyball
The Tree of Life
War Horse
I didn't like The Artist at all but it was a very weak year for film that year. Tree of Life was the most memorable film of the bunch but it was an extremely polarizing movie. Everybody thought it was brilliant or terrible. There was no in-between. Hugo was a charming little film but it was far from being one of Scorsese's best. And I don't think any of the other movies were better than The Artist especially The Help and War Horse. So I can't really hate too much on The Artist being awarded Best Picture that year.
Lots of good films in that list, but not any great films.
The Descendants and Moneyball are probably my favorites on that list.
I watched The Artist once. It was fine, but I wouldn't watch it again.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 8:38 am to Hugo Stiglitz
For something to be a sham, it kinda has to be intentional. i mean, it's a voting process. Voting tends to have quirky results,
Posted on 2/22/16 at 8:48 am to Bench McElroy
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How Green Was My Valley beating out Citizen Kane
This is the answer and its not even close. We had to watch How Green was my Valley for a film class and it was turrible. All the others that have been mentioned were at least entertaining, I cannot say the same for How Green was my Valley.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:16 am to Bench McElroy
I can't believe it took until the second page to mention friggin' GoodFellas:
All of this. But look, it's the Oscars. It rewards the best in Hollywood middlebrow entertainment. It seems silly to complain about it. I think we did a re-doing the Oscars thing once, and the Oscars get it "Wrong" more often than not. The entire 1980s are a travesty, especially. And usually, the problem is in the nominating, not the final awards. But heck, let's just use nominees. You can argue nearly every Best Picture in the 1980s went to the inferior film:
1980 Ordinary People over Raging Bull
1981 Chariots of Fire over Raiders of the Lost Ark
1982 Gandhi over ET
1983 Terms of Endearment over The Right Stuff
1984 Amadeus over The Killing Fields
1985 Out of Africa over The Color Purple
1986 Platoon... okay, they nailed that one
1987 Last Emperor... okay, two in row
1988 Rain Man over Dangerous Liasons
1989 Driving Miss Daisy over Dead Poets Society
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The biggest Oscar shams in history were Ordinary People winning over Raging Bull, Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas, How Green Was My Valley beating out Citizen Kane and Singin' In The Rain not even getting nominated for Best Picture in a year when The Greatest Show on Earth ended up winning Best Picture.
All of this. But look, it's the Oscars. It rewards the best in Hollywood middlebrow entertainment. It seems silly to complain about it. I think we did a re-doing the Oscars thing once, and the Oscars get it "Wrong" more often than not. The entire 1980s are a travesty, especially. And usually, the problem is in the nominating, not the final awards. But heck, let's just use nominees. You can argue nearly every Best Picture in the 1980s went to the inferior film:
1980 Ordinary People over Raging Bull
1981 Chariots of Fire over Raiders of the Lost Ark
1982 Gandhi over ET
1983 Terms of Endearment over The Right Stuff
1984 Amadeus over The Killing Fields
1985 Out of Africa over The Color Purple
1986 Platoon... okay, they nailed that one
1987 Last Emperor... okay, two in row
1988 Rain Man over Dangerous Liasons
1989 Driving Miss Daisy over Dead Poets Society
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:21 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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Bigger Oscar Sham
Titanic over Good Will Hunting
There's just no excuse
New story, no cgi, dialog, range of emotions
what did Titanic offer?
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:23 am to Baloo
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1982 Gandhi over ET
I'm ok with Gandhi. That is an amazing piece of work.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:33 am to Bench McElroy
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I didn't like The Artist at all but it was a very weak year for film that year. Tree of Life was the most memorable film of the bunch but it was an extremely polarizing movie. Everybody thought it was brilliant or terrible. There was no in-between. Hugo was a charming little film but it was far from being one of Scorsese's best. And I don't think any of the other movies were better than The Artist especially The Help and War Horse. So I can't really hate too much on The Artist being awarded Best Picture that year.
I really liked Hugo and Midnight in Paris but even still not a stacked year. No surprise the artist won
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:39 am to Kafka
People need to start wearing suits, ties and hats to the grocery store again.
How good was 1994? Forrest Gump beat out Pulp Fiction and Shawshank. I thought Pulp Fiction should have won, but I wouldn't call Gump winning a sham.
How good was 1994? Forrest Gump beat out Pulp Fiction and Shawshank. I thought Pulp Fiction should have won, but I wouldn't call Gump winning a sham.
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 9:44 am
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:47 am to Baloo
quote:
1980 Ordinary People over Raging Bull
1981 Chariots of Fire over Raiders of the Lost Ark
1982 Gandhi over ET
1983 Terms of Endearment over The Right Stuff
1984 Amadeus over The Killing Fields
1985 Out of Africa over The Color Purple
1986 Platoon... okay, they nailed that one
1987 Last Emperor... okay, two in row
1988 Rain Man over Dangerous Liasons
1989 Driving Miss Daisy over Dead Poets Society
Yikes, Tarantino was right. The '80s were a terrible decade for movies. It certainly was a bad decade for Best Picture winners. And here's my problem with the Oscars. Almost all of their Best Picture winners are serious dramas or historical biopics or war-based films. Almost all of the best films from the '80s didn't fit into any of those categories. The best film in 1981 was Raiders of the Lost Ark but the academy doesn't like to award action films. Blade Runner was the best film of 1982 and it wasn't even nominated for Best Picture because they hate sci-fi films. Brazil and Back To The Future were far better films than Out of Africa. Neither got a Best Picture nomination. I can go on and on. It's ridiculous.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:55 am to Baloo
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I can't believe it took until the second page to mention friggin' GoodFellas:
I was going to post the same thing
quote:
But look, it's the Oscars. It rewards the best in Hollywood middlebrow entertainment. It seems silly to complain about it. I think we did a re-doing the Oscars thing once, and the Oscars get it "Wrong" more often than not
It's silly to get worked up over (it's hilarious how angry Eddie Trunk gets over the RNR HOF) but like any award (Heisman Trophy, MVP, Hall of Fame) it's fun to argue about and discuss. A friend of mine and I actually went thru a "who should have won the Super Bowl MVP" and disagreed with about half of the winners
true story As far as the Oscar's, the biggest "travesties" imo have been in the director and acting categories. I mean it's bad enough that Raging Bull and Goodfellas did not win BP, but Robert Redford and Kevin Coster won directing Oscars over Scorsese, come on. And to add insult to injury he doesn't even win until 2006. Now, that's a sham. Did Hitchcock ever win? Kurosawa?
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:00 am to Baloo
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1985 Out of Africa over The Color Purple
The real travesty that year is Back to the Future, Brazil and Ran weren't even nominated. The Oscars are dumb. Not Grammys-level dumb, but dumb.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:13 am to kizomich
yea, the oscars suck. They're wrong more often than they are right.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:15 am to REG861
Nvm, way off. Green mile was also 99 though and lost to Shakespeare in love as well.
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 10:18 am
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:16 am to leoj
neither of those won best picture
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