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re: Anne Hathaway cast in The Dark Knight Rises.....
Posted on 1/19/11 at 2:51 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/19/11 at 2:51 pm to RollTide1987
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Are you this dense or are you just ignoring what I'm saying? You think that the natural progression of the story is to introduce Talia al Ghul and re-introduce the League of Shadows. Why? The trilogy can be ended in any number of ways.
Are you this dense or are you just ignoring what I'm saying?
You keep asking for my justification, why is Catwoman so awesome? She's been done before, many many times. She's had her own movie, despite the fact that it was apparently quite awful.
What makes Talia so much of a retread and Catwoman isn't??? Answer that.
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Why does Catwoman need to be a jewel thief in your eyes?
Not making Catwoman some sort of thief is like making Batman a pauper, Iron Man sober and sane, and Captain America a 1940's insurance salesman. It doesn't and will never fit the character.
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 2:53 pm
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 2:52 pm to RollTide1987
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In "Batman Returns" Catwoman wasn't a jewel thief and many people regard that performance to be the definitive on-screen one.
She was a thief.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 2:55 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Best line of the thread.
Not making Catwoman some sort of thief is like making Batman a pauper, Iron Man sober and sane, and Captain America a 1940's insurance salesman. It doesn't and will never fit the character.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 2:57 pm to bomber77
quote:I so agree with this. The rest of the interesting parts of Hathaway's career for me could be summed up in a 10 minute visit to Mr. Skin.
My favorite Hathaway role was Agent 99 in Get Smart. Dead on perfect for that part as was Steve Carell as Maxwell Smart.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:03 pm to Jamohn
highly disappointed in the roles for the villains.I thought Nolan said no Catwoman earlier. I think the studio helped influence Nolan on this one. I was hoping for the Prey influenced storyline.
The Bane role pisses me off the most though.The character hasn't been done right in years and they could have used more interesting villains,IMO(Strange,Deadshot,Black Mask,etc.)
The Bane role pisses me off the most though.The character hasn't been done right in years and they could have used more interesting villains,IMO(Strange,Deadshot,Black Mask,etc.)
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:10 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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I trust Nolan, but this news SUCKS
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:10 pm to Freauxzen
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She was a thief.
But not of jewels and her character was much more complex than just stealing things. You seem to think that's all she's capable of and yet she could be used for so much more.
And I never said that Catwoman was the natural progression. Sure, it is a retread of the character, but Nolan has done this before. The Joker and Two-Face had both been used in other movies. But Nolan gave them a new spin which made both characters appear fresh and much more three dimensional than what they were in Batman '89 and Batman Forever. Knowing what you know about Nolan's creativity and ability to make good films, why in the hell aren't you trusting him with a character that is so rich as Catwoman? She is just BRIMMING with potential. And I would be saying the same about Talia al Ghul. Both characters are very well-rounded that could make for an interesting story.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:11 pm to Jamohn
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The rest of the interesting parts of Hathaway's career for me could be summed up in a 10 minute visit to Mr. Skin.
she owns a pair of some beautiful tittays
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:12 pm to RonBurgundy
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highly disappointed in the roles for the villains.I thought Nolan said no Catwoman earlier. I think the studio helped influence Nolan on this one. I was hoping for the Prey influenced storyline.
I don't think the studio did any such thing. When Nolan signed on to the Batman franchise in 2003, the selling point was that Warner Bros. would give him complete control of the projects.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:15 pm to Someone
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Guess that rumored Hugo Strange plot is out.
Thia rumor came out of the fact that Hugo Strange is going to be in the next Batman game. Has nothing to do with the film series.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:18 pm to RollTide1987
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But not of jewels and her character was much more complex than just stealing things. You seem to think that's all she's capable of and yet she could be used for so much more.
She can and she can't. The problem with Catwoman is expectations. I'm also not the only one to see that this seems like a studio forced move, a la Venom.
I'd put money on someone saying "There aren't enough empowered female characters in the Batman Series. Can we please have one?"
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But Nolan gave them a new spin which made both characters appear fresh and much more three dimensional than what they were in Batman '89 and Batman Forever.
Nolan didn't give them a new spin at all, he based them closely off of particular storylines in the Batman Universe.
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Knowing what you know about Nolan's creativity and ability to make good films, why in the hell aren't you trusting him with a character that is so rich as Catwoman? She is just BRIMMING with potential.
Knowing what I know about Nolan and Nolan's Batman lead me to believe that Heath Ledger was the perfect Joker.
Knowing what I know about Nolan and Nolan's Batman leads me to believe that Catwoman/Selina Kyle, outside of a simple love interest, is an awful inclusion for the last Nolan Batman film.
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And I would be saying the same about Talia al Ghul.
No you wouldn't:
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I'm somewhat glad that Talia al Ghul isn't one of the villains. It shows that Nolan has seemingly more creative juice inside of him as he's not settling for the simple revenge plot that would have been offered by putting Talia into the third movie.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:20 pm to RollTide1987
Didn't read much of the thread, but the article I read - which included the actual press release - says that Hathaway was selected to play Selina Kyle, not Catwoman.
Nolan said before that Catwoman would never been in one of his Batman movies and I'm going to take that at face value until it is proven otherwise.
Nolan said before that Catwoman would never been in one of his Batman movies and I'm going to take that at face value until it is proven otherwise.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:29 pm to Freauxzen
You really do need to improve your reading comprehension skills. Yes, it's true I am glad that Talia al Ghul will not be the main focus. HOWEVER, I can't deny that there would be quite a bit of material to work with. That's what I meant by that statement. The character of Talia al Ghul is definitely brimming with potential, but that doesn't mean I have to like the fact that he used her if it came down to that.
We could debate the pros and cons of Catwoman until the cows come home. The fact of the matter is this:
Christopher Nolan is a filmmaker who likes to have complete creative control over his films and who doesn't like studios to meddle in his affairs. He has stated this before. So I don't believe ANYONE pressured him to write Catwoman into his own script. Had he received such pressure I'm sure the man would have put away his laptop and walked off the project. WB learned their lesson with Batman & Robin and besides...Christopher Nolan is their favorite director whose last two films have grossed nearly two billion dollars worldwide.
And finally, Christopher Nolan is not only one of the best directors working today he is also regarded as one of the most original screenwriters in Hollywood as well. I have no idea how big of a role Catwoman will play or even if Catwoman will make an appearance at all as the press release only said Hathaway would play Selina Kyle and made no mention of Catwoman at all. However, given Nolan's track record, I think I'm going to put more faith in his abilities to come up with a storyline than some butthurt fanboy on an internet message board.
We could debate the pros and cons of Catwoman until the cows come home. The fact of the matter is this:
Christopher Nolan is a filmmaker who likes to have complete creative control over his films and who doesn't like studios to meddle in his affairs. He has stated this before. So I don't believe ANYONE pressured him to write Catwoman into his own script. Had he received such pressure I'm sure the man would have put away his laptop and walked off the project. WB learned their lesson with Batman & Robin and besides...Christopher Nolan is their favorite director whose last two films have grossed nearly two billion dollars worldwide.
And finally, Christopher Nolan is not only one of the best directors working today he is also regarded as one of the most original screenwriters in Hollywood as well. I have no idea how big of a role Catwoman will play or even if Catwoman will make an appearance at all as the press release only said Hathaway would play Selina Kyle and made no mention of Catwoman at all. However, given Nolan's track record, I think I'm going to put more faith in his abilities to come up with a storyline than some butthurt fanboy on an internet message board.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:30 pm to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
Dude, just stop.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:31 pm to OMLandshark
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Dude, just stop.
this
i was coming to post the same thing
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butthurt fanboy on an internet message board.
yeah, that describes Freaux perfectly 
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:32 pm to RollTide1987
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I could go on and on.
When roles in The Devil Wears Prada are in your argument, you're already reaching.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:34 pm to iwyLSUiwy
im just gonna trust nolan on this one. if someone told me a few years ago that heath ledger was going to do an oscar winning performance of the joker i wouldn't have believed them. everyone has a breakout role, i'll wait to see until i judge
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:35 pm to Freauxzen
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The problem with Catwoman is expectations. I'm also not the only one to see that this seems like a studio forced move, a la Venom.
I'd put money on someone saying "There aren't enough empowered female characters in the Batman Series. Can we please have one?"
Yep. That's usually how it goes, and that's the usual Oprah-esque Pavlovian buzzword. And they went ahead and cast the poster girl for modern American fem-dom. I'm not opposed to Catwoman per se, but Hathaway just sucks for the part. Nolan has apparently finally been usurped by douchey producers, but we'll see. I'm not optimistic.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:40 pm to blueboy
Who the hell said that Nolan wasn't on board for Anne Hathaway being in this movie? Can they provide some proof of such
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:43 pm to RollTide1987
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You really do need to improve your reading comprehension skills. Yes, it's true I am glad that Talia al Ghul will not be the main focus. HOWEVER, I can't deny that there would be quite a bit of material to work with. That's what I meant by that statement. The character of Talia al Ghul is definitely brimming with potential, but that doesn't mean I have to like the fact that he used her if it came down to that.
You need to improve your writing skills. If a character is BRIMMING with potential, especially a character that has not been used much, why would you be glad she isn't used? Unless you like retreads. You're just backtracking now.
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Christopher Nolan is a filmmaker who likes to have complete creative control over his films and who doesn't like studios to meddle in his affairs. He has stated this before. So I don't believe ANYONE pressured him to write Catwoman into his own script. Had he received such pressure I'm sure the man would have put away his laptop and walked off the project. WB learned their lesson with Batman & Robin and besides...Christopher Nolan is their favorite director whose last two films have grossed nearly two billion dollars worldwide.
You accuse me of making leaps in logic, and maybe I am, but you are doing the same here.
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And finally, Christopher Nolan is not only one of the best directors working today he is also regarded as one of the most original screenwriters in Hollywood as well. I have no idea how big of a role Catwoman will play or even if Catwoman will make an appearance at all as the press release only said Hathaway would play Selina Kyle and made no mention of Catwoman at all.
Yes, and I have mostly qualified my rants with "IF Catwoman," and " "outside of a love interest," etc. I am quite aware of the difference between Kyle and Catwoman. Maybe you need to improve your reading skills too.
I feel like ranting on Catwoman and I said so from my very first post in this thread.
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However, given Nolan's track record, I think I'm going to put more faith in his abilities to come up with a storyline than some butthurt fanboy on an internet message board.
Yes, hmmm...butthurt fanboy. That's me. I'm not butthurt, I'm a student of film, of creative properties in general, and it sucks that an obviously gifted storyteller is falling on a weak character. There is a reason the comics started to trumpet Talia in the comic books, She was a better character than Catwoman.
And name calling is lame, and unless you are calling iwy something, it was no place on this board.
I'm just kidding iwy
Side Note:
Nolan could have just asked to use my fun Ventriloquist storyline, but oh well. His loss.
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 3:51 pm
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