re: Anne Hathaway cast in The Dark Knight Rises.....

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It' just my opinion, but it smells like a power play, full-on twat style. I just can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to hearing her shrill, grating voice attempting to be sinister/sexy.

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I doubt she'll be used as Catwoman. She'll be a love interest that's obsessed with Cats (basically giving a nod to the classic). Nolan's better than that to portray her as a villain.

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PattyRay38

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He posts!

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The news we have gotten today for TDKR definitely has good and bad aspects. Since we now know that the Hugo Strange rumor is not happening, I am quite happy to see that Tom Hardy is in fact playing Bane. Bane is one character that nothing but the comics have ever gotten right. Batman & Robin damn near murdered the character, and even Batman: The Animated Series, which I still consider the best representation of Batman ever (and this includes the comics), handled Bane sub-par. With Nolan at the helm, I think we finally have a chance of seeing Bane done right. Freauxzen, offline, knows my preference for using Bane compared to his long-standing feelings on using either Black Mask, which would have been ok, or Hush, which I would have hated, as I cannot stand that character.

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Fairly even handed take. And I will always give credit to someone more familiar with the source material than even I.

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Ledger sounded awkward in. Hathaway as Catwoman is the bad thing.

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Good way to put it.

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Why would I run? Sure, I may not be winning the argument but I trust Christopher Nolan. The man has many amazing films to his credit and if this one turns out to be disastrous I will gladly come back and eat crow.

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Same here.

And OML learned his lesson of arguing with my keen sense of narrative *cough*Avatar*cough*.

Kidding bud. OML is and always be my favorite person to argue with on here...Jack Smash!

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Hahaha. I'll just leave you with this: The entirety of Batman's existence is a vengeance story. /thread

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If you think the story of Batman is all about vengeance then you have missed the point of the character and the point that Nolan was trying to make entirely. One of the major themes of Batman Begins was Bruce Wayne rising above the idea of vengeance. The point of Batman is to provide justice to those who don't normally get it. He is the protector of the weak and the ill possessed. His whole operation is run in the hopes that what happened to him will not happen to others. It may or may not be different in the comics. I don't know, I don't read them. However, what I do know - at least from my own interpretation - the Nolan Batman is not a man out looking for vengeance.

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Sam Raimi made a kajillion dollars with the first two Spider-Man films, yet studio execs had to have Venom.....

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There's a big difference here. Marvel Studios is VERY controlling and had more to do with the decision to include Venom than Columbia and Sony did. DC is not as controlling when it comes to movies based on their property. It is my opinion that Nolan would have walked away from the whole project if he felt he was being pressured in any way at all.

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Not really. I believed Ledger would work. I don't believe Catwoman will work. Of course I do not know, but we CAN talk about possibilities, which is all we are doing.

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There's a difference between a character and an actor. I was neutral about the whole Ledger thing but thought he would do a decent job considering the fact that he was an Oscar-nominated actor and that Nolan was writing and directing the project. You aren't saying that Anne Hathaway won't work, you are saying that Catwoman can't work despite not having read the screenplay. I believe Nolan will make it work.

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If you think the story of Batman is all about vengeance then you have missed the point of the character and the point that Nolan was trying to make entirely.

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Batman's drive and motivation is his parent's death, that's what the flashbacks or for in Begins. He seeks to right the world BECAUSE his parents died, and for no other reason. Because someone escaped justice. Revenge is a reactionary position.

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One of the major themes of Batman Begins was Bruce Wayne rising above the idea of vengeance. The point of Batman is to provide justice to those who don't normally get it. He is the protector of the weak and the ill possessed.

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He only "rises above vengeance" if you consider vengeance to be murder. He doesn't if you consider "revenge" reversing the scales on criminals.

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The point of Batman is to provide justice to those who don't normally get it.

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Correct.

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I don't know, I don't read them. However, what I do know - at least from my own interpretation - the Nolan Batman is not a man out looking for vengeance.

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He is, but Batman Begins wasn't about rising above vengeance at all ....it's about fatherhood, legacy and the primacy of our past. But that's another thread.

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There's a big difference here. Marvel Studios is VERY controlling and had more to do with the decision to include Venom than Columbia and Sony did. DC is not as controlling when it comes to movies based on their property.

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Link?

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There's a difference between a character and an actor. I was neutral about the whole Ledger thing but thought he would do a decent job considering the fact that he was an Oscar-nominated actor and that Nolan was writing and directing the project. You aren't saying that Anne Hathaway won't work, you are saying that Catwoman can't work despite not having read the screenplay. I believe Nolan will make it work.

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Yeah and I had many more reasons why Nolan chose Ledger, not just Oscar noms and what not. Just like I have many reasons why Catwoman won't work.

I'm afraid I don't have a link to the Marvel thing but it should be obvious. These guys have a lot of money to work with and it shows because they produced the Iron Man movies, the new Incredible Hulk movie, as well as the new Thor movie practically all by themselves. They are also producing The Avengers movies. This is a pretty powerful production company that isn't just repping Marvel Comics.

Marvel Studios wanted Venom, I have no doubt of that. Raimi, however, didn't like the character and did a half-arse job with it. I don't have any specific links for you to follow, I just remember the fanboys talking about all this stuff right after the movie came out.

Bottom line is this:

Going by what Jett from Batman-On-Film and other so-called "Batman insiders" have said, Christopher Nolan has always had complete, creative control over the Batman movies. WB learned their lesson after the Schumacher debacle. I have no doubt that Nolan believes strongly in including Selina Kyle in the film. You may not like it but there it is. I have complete and absolute faith in the guy. He's a good story-teller and I believe he has a story in mind that will properly finish off the trilogy.

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Agreed. I wish they'd have chosen a darker actress. And by darker I mean with some sultry dark qualities. I get more flowers in a field vibe from Hathaway than mastermind thief. I just don't like it. If the movies great, awesome. Just don't like her as a villain and I'll hold to that.

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Have you ever seen "Rachel Getting Married"? Her character is pretty freaking dark in that movie.

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There's a big difference here. Marvel Studios is VERY controlling and had more to do with the decision to include Venom than Columbia and Sony did. DC is not as controlling when it comes to movies based on their property. It is my opinion that Nolan would have walked away from the whole project if he felt he was being pressured in any way at all

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Fail.Marvel is controlling but it was Columbia/Sony who called the shots on S3 and if don't think that WB and the new DC Media department are calling the shots here,you're crazy.It's their property,they would be stupid to give 100% control to any creative talent.No director is bigger than the system,no matter how successful they've been.Nolan has a voice in the room,but it's certainly not the only voice.

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Fail.Marvel is controlling but it was Columbia/Sony who called the shots on S3 and if don't think that WB and the new DC Media department are calling the shots here,you're crazy.It's their property,they would be stupid to give 100% control to any creative talent.No director is bigger than the system,no matter how successful they've been.Nolan has a voice in the room,but it's certainly not the only voice.

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He's the producer, writer, and director of the project. His wife is also one of the producers. His voice is a lot bigger than Sam Raimi's ever was. Hell, he's the one who came to Warner Bros. with the idea for Batman Begins. If Nolan was unhappy I have no doubt he wouldn't have agreed to do the movie.