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re: Anne Hathaway cast in The Dark Knight Rises.....
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:44 pm to blueboy
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:44 pm to blueboy
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Yep. That's usually how it goes, and that's the usual Oprah-esque Pavlovian buzzword. And they went ahead and cast the poster girl for modern American fem-dom. I'm not opposed to Catwoman per se, but Hathaway just sucks for the part. Nolan has apparently finally been usurped by douchey producers, but we'll see. I'm not optimistic.
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Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:52 pm to Freauxzen
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Talia would have been the BEST villain for this outside of maybe Strange and Black Mask.
Really disappointing he won't make it to the film.
Hell, might as well bring in Nightwing now that the charades have started.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 3:56 pm to Cajun Revolution
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Really disappointing he won't make it to the film.
Hell, might as well bring in Nightwing now that the charades have started.
Robin too? Let's just make it a bonanza of lame characters. If so, I vote Maxi Zeus!
FWIW, I like Bane, but don't think he fits. I do think he can be better molded to fit Nolan's world than Catwoman.
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:00 pm to Freauxzen
Id like to see Nolan take on The Minstrel
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:02 pm to Freauxzen
I'm mixed on this set because I'm not seeing the organized crime tie in. Black Mask would have been money for this. The players and organizations shattered by the Joker...batman on the run...Black Mask would have been money to step in and unite everyone against Batman.
Hell, maybe Catwoman will be a forensic accountant gone wrong. She's still a theif
But seriously, if they even mention Catwoman beyond what Freemen did in DK I'll ve upset. I rather see Devito reprise the penguin and start waddling out the sewer.
Also, Nightwing is Robin #2 incase you didn't know.
Hell, maybe Catwoman will be a forensic accountant gone wrong. She's still a theif
But seriously, if they even mention Catwoman beyond what Freemen did in DK I'll ve upset. I rather see Devito reprise the penguin and start waddling out the sewer.
Also, Nightwing is Robin #2 incase you didn't know.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:07 pm to Cajun Revolution
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Also, Nightwing is Robin #2 incase you didn't know.
I'm pretty sure that Robin #2 was Jason Todd, also known as the Red Hood. Speaking off I would like to see him in a live action Batman film, as long as they don't go into detail why he's training Robins in the first place and doesn't have a continuity to the other Batman series.
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:09 pm to Freauxzen
I agree this doesn't thrill me immediately, but I think people are focusing on the wrong stuff.
Catwoman: Just can't see this being a big role. Doesn't fit what Nolan seems to want really, wouldn't worry about it. I just have to trust Nolan on this one which there is every reason to do so far. She isn't going to be some lame cat burglar with a whip.
Bane is supposed to be a an absolute genius but sane instead of a lunatic. I can definitely see Nolan making this work without the stupid vision of Bane everyone has in their heads from previous things (Batman & Robin). They have absolutely raped his character in some mediums by making him nothing but a grunting strongman. He is freaking multilingual in some creations yet they made him a caveman. There is a LOT about Bane that will work.
My biggest disappointment is the lack of en epic villain throughout but I guess Ledger's death killed that idea.
Catwoman: Just can't see this being a big role. Doesn't fit what Nolan seems to want really, wouldn't worry about it. I just have to trust Nolan on this one which there is every reason to do so far. She isn't going to be some lame cat burglar with a whip.
Bane is supposed to be a an absolute genius but sane instead of a lunatic. I can definitely see Nolan making this work without the stupid vision of Bane everyone has in their heads from previous things (Batman & Robin). They have absolutely raped his character in some mediums by making him nothing but a grunting strongman. He is freaking multilingual in some creations yet they made him a caveman. There is a LOT about Bane that will work.
My biggest disappointment is the lack of en epic villain throughout but I guess Ledger's death killed that idea.
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:09 pm to OMLandshark
You're right...Dick Grayson, Jason Todd (Red Hood), then Nightwing (reprised Dick Grayson's original Nightwing)
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:15 pm to GamecockAlum
The news we have gotten today for TDKR definitely has good and bad aspects. Since we now know that the Hugo Strange rumor is not happening, I am quite happy to see that Tom Hardy is in fact playing Bane. Bane is one character that nothing but the comics have ever gotten right. Batman & Robin damn near murdered the character, and even Batman: The Animated Series, which I still consider the best representation of Batman ever (and this includes the comics), handled Bane sub-par. With Nolan at the helm, I think we finally have a chance of seeing Bane done right. Freauxzen, offline, knows my preference for using Bane compared to his long-standing feelings on using either Black Mask, which would have been ok, or Hush, which I would have hated, as I cannot stand that character.
Anne Hathaway is the bad. Like Freaux, it's not that I don't like Hathaway as an actress. Like him and many others, I did not react negatively to the initial casting of Heath Ledger as Joker. My initial concerns came from the first released picture of him, which still looks bad, and the first audio-only teaser trailer, which, especially out of context, Ledger sounded awkward in. Hathaway as Catwoman is the bad thing. As we now know, this is to be the last of Nolan's Batman films. Now, if this wasn't and/or we as the general public didn't know this to be the last of Nolan's films, I would have no problem of introducing Catwoman, as she could be developed across a couple of films, in one as a love interest becoming Catwoman and in a second as a villain. But as a character in any form being used in the final film? Then I agree, using Talia would work better, acting as a bookend to Batman Begins and, more importantly, using a character never before seen in live action. And let me stress here, if Talia was the villainess, Hathaway would be totally wrong for the part. Truth be told, I think she is the wrong actress for Selina/Catwoman period. As much as I am not a fan of hers, someone like Angelina Jolie better fit with the character of Catwoman as seen in the comics.
Plus, as a Superman fan, Hathaway's casting makes me sad, because she has long been a fan-backed favorite to play Lois Lane in the Superman reboot, a role which I DO think she is better suited for.
Anne Hathaway is the bad. Like Freaux, it's not that I don't like Hathaway as an actress. Like him and many others, I did not react negatively to the initial casting of Heath Ledger as Joker. My initial concerns came from the first released picture of him, which still looks bad, and the first audio-only teaser trailer, which, especially out of context, Ledger sounded awkward in. Hathaway as Catwoman is the bad thing. As we now know, this is to be the last of Nolan's Batman films. Now, if this wasn't and/or we as the general public didn't know this to be the last of Nolan's films, I would have no problem of introducing Catwoman, as she could be developed across a couple of films, in one as a love interest becoming Catwoman and in a second as a villain. But as a character in any form being used in the final film? Then I agree, using Talia would work better, acting as a bookend to Batman Begins and, more importantly, using a character never before seen in live action. And let me stress here, if Talia was the villainess, Hathaway would be totally wrong for the part. Truth be told, I think she is the wrong actress for Selina/Catwoman period. As much as I am not a fan of hers, someone like Angelina Jolie better fit with the character of Catwoman as seen in the comics.
Plus, as a Superman fan, Hathaway's casting makes me sad, because she has long been a fan-backed favorite to play Lois Lane in the Superman reboot, a role which I DO think she is better suited for.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:19 pm to Freauxzen
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You need to improve your writing skills. If a character is BRIMMING with potential, especially a character that has not been used much, why would you be glad she isn't used? Unless you like retreads. You're just backtracking now.
Because the vengeance story is tired and cliched. I have stated that at least twice since this whole discussion started. Everyone expects it.
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You accuse me of making leaps in logic, and maybe I am, but you are doing the same here.
No, I am being rational. The guy is an independent filmmaker at heart. He likes to have total control over his films and after the success of "Inception" - an unorthodox script to say the least - I'm sure Warner Bros. would follow Nolan no matter where he took the franchise.
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Yes, and I have mostly qualified my rants with "IF Catwoman," and " "outside of a love interest," etc. I am quite aware of the difference between Kyle and Catwoman. Maybe you need to improve your reading skills too.
And you are making a gigantic leap of faith by saying it couldn't work if Catwoman also makes an appearance.
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Yes, hmmm...butthurt fanboy. That's me. I'm not butthurt, I'm a student of film, of creative properties in general, and it sucks that an obviously gifted storyteller is falling on a weak character. There is a reason the comics started to trumpet Talia in the comic books, She was a better character than Catwoman.
And I guess an obviously gifted storyteller would be too dumb to take a (as you say) "weak" character and give that said character a new spin? Just FYI, not saying that this is a good example, but in the first draft of the script "Batman Returns," the writers had Catwoman written as a cold-blooded assassin for hire.
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:25 pm to RollTide1987
Are you shitting me?
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:28 pm to OMLandshark
He's back for more
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:29 pm to OMLandshark
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Are you shitting me?
No, you can find it online. I have read the first draft. While I didn't really like the whole assassin angle I thought the first draft of the "Batman Returns" script was far superior than the final product that they put on screen. That draft actually focused more on Batman and less on the Catwoman/Penguin/Max Shreck angle.
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:32 pm to The Godfather
Why would I run? Sure, I may not be winning the argument but I trust Christopher Nolan. The man has many amazing films to his credit and if this one turns out to be disastrous I will gladly come back and eat crow.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:32 pm to RollTide1987
Man, WTF are you trying to argue about. Catwoman is a colossal fail. Hell, it was a fail in the comics. I have no idea what you're trying to argue here but if they introduce any female villain outside Talia than its disappointing.
He may play it well but it will not be complete. I'd have liked to see Bane, Black Mask, and the Riddler. You know, I think the Riddler was never considered. Nolan tipped his hat to Classic Batman last go around. You're going to see recently developed characters this round (post 1980ish).
Bane didnt debut until 1993 and Black mask until 1985. To me, those would be the best two for the final chapter but it will never happen. You'll see Talia before you ever see Black Mask unfortunately. He'd scare the kids.
He may play it well but it will not be complete. I'd have liked to see Bane, Black Mask, and the Riddler. You know, I think the Riddler was never considered. Nolan tipped his hat to Classic Batman last go around. You're going to see recently developed characters this round (post 1980ish).
Bane didnt debut until 1993 and Black mask until 1985. To me, those would be the best two for the final chapter but it will never happen. You'll see Talia before you ever see Black Mask unfortunately. He'd scare the kids.
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:33 pm to Cajun Revolution
In Nolan I trust..regardless.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:36 pm to Cajun Revolution
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Man, WTF are you trying to argue about. Catwoman is a colossal fail. Hell, it was a fail in the comics. I have no idea what you're trying to argue here but if they introduce any female villain outside Talia than its disappointing.
You say this without knowing any of the film's details. We have no idea what role Catwoman will play or even if she will be in the film. All we know is that Anne Hathaway will be playing Selina Kyle.
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He'd scare the kids.
Yeah, I'm sure Joker and Two-Face didn't scare the kids AT ALL in The Dark Knight.
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:38 pm to Freauxzen
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I have no idea how big of a role Catwoman will play or even if Catwoman will make an appearance at all as the press release only said Hathaway would play Selina Kyle and made no mention of Catwoman at all.
Yes, and I have mostly qualified my rants with "IF Catwoman," and " "outside of a love interest," etc.
Apparently, she will be Catwoman.
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Easy conclusion, really. I don't think they'd have SK and not have her be Catwoman as well. I just think the choice of actress sucks. Every shrill chick in Hollywood wants to be Catwoman (remember the Sean Young insanity), and Hathaway has the most pull while being able to claim that she's right for the part. It' just my opinion, but it smells like a power play, full-on twat style. I just can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to hearing her shrill, grating voice attempting to be sinister/sexy.
Why am I suddenly hoping that Terry Gilliam was the director of this film? Hmmmm.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:40 pm to RollTide1987
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You say this without knowing any of the film's details. We have no idea what role Catwoman will play or even if she will be in the film. All we know is that Anne Hathaway will be playing Selina Kyle.
Let me send you a picture of Catwoman so you can print it out and frick it before you fall asleep tonight. MY OPINION, it will detract from the movie.
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Yeah, I'm sure Joker and Two-Face didn't scare the kids AT ALL in The Dark Knight.
The Black Mask if portrayed correctly would look much much worse then that crap. Which besides, Nolan souped up for the movie instead of the comics. The Black Mask is typically a human skull with bits of tissue still stuck on it that seeps blood.
Posted on 1/19/11 at 4:42 pm to Cajun Revolution
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