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Posted on 1/18/20 at 11:53 am to
Posted by CCT
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Posted on 1/18/20 at 11:53 am to
Just to chime in...I saw it yesterday and was mesmerized. I was looking for character development, too, and realized later it was there the whole time. You had these two guys you know nothing about, except that one of them gets mind fricked by being told basically he will be responsible for his brothers death if he fails his mission. Then he dies and the mission falls on the shoulders of his army mate.

Scho’s frustration and anger was palpable to me when straining to get the truck out the rut. That was basically the safest way for him to vent without losing his mind, and he DID lose his mind in that task...only to tuck his feelings back in to focus on the job he must finish.

The framing of him at the end approaching the big tree. Beautiful. I think that shot summed up the unspoken characterizations from the movie by showing the different directions of the branches as different directions one’s life could take based on the choices made. He was almost killed dozens of times. Does this make sense? This young man is scarred for life realizing that any one little decision could have been the wrong one to finally kill him You don’t need someone talking about their loved ones, or showing their loved ones to just impart a sense of humanity or character. The humanity of the viewer should fill in those spaces. The acting was superb and should have led the viewer’s imagination and sympathy to flesh out his character. I thought it was all fantastic. Just my 2cents...

GREAT movie!
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 12:30 pm
Posted by blzr
Keeneland
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Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:04 pm to
Saw it last night, thought it was a fantastic movie
Posted by LSUcrawfish
St George,Louisiana
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Posted on 1/18/20 at 9:39 pm to
I going to see it this week. Can’t wait.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 1/18/20 at 11:51 pm to
One of the best movies I have ever seen

Exquisite
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 1/19/20 at 3:42 pm to
Indeed.

This is quality film making, both from an enjoyable and technical perspective.

So of course it is struggling to break even.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/19/20 at 3:51 pm to
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Lol. Same thing i said when watching but germans are the basis for george lucas stormtroopers, although it was ww2 germans lol




I am pretty sure it’s WW1. They were the small special forces units that were actually effective
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:17 am to
I saw it yesterday. Loved it.

I don't have much to add to the way it was shot. The continuous shot made you feel like you were there with them instead of detracting. It was beautifully shot.

The complaints in this thread about the straightforwardness or simplicity of the plot...it's usually like that in war movies. The intensity of the scenes drove the movie forward, not a complex plot.

I don't know how you could avoid being invested in the two main characters. Blake's stabbing death was shocking and impactful. Watching his brother get the news of his death at the end was hard.

In terms of realism, I'd put it along with Saving Private Ryan in terms of depicting the respective wars. I love SPR, so that's about as high praise as I can give 1917.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:29 am to
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Just like the Rat and the trip wire.. Seen it coming a mile away.
Bull fricking shite.

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I had no worry in my mind that Schofield was gonna make it in time, deliver the message, the attack is called off and LT. Blake is alive and well.
He didn't exactly make it in time - the first wave had already been sent, dumbass.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:34 am to
I just saw it tonight and it was stunning. The simulated single shot was awesome since it was such a short mission.

The cinematography/direction on the scene with Blake's stabbing death was unreal.

Would somebody please identify and give some specs on their rifles? How many rounds (and stored where? I didn't see any magazine)? I could have also sworn I saw him fire 2 shots consecutively before using the bolt. TIA
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33340 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:47 am to
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And the BFI Diversity and Inclusion Initiative is getting ridiculous. Yes, I'm sure there is some almost completely trivial fact of black troops fighting for Britain in WW1, but every scene has some random black guy walking by


Newsflash: the very source of the material for the film (the director's grandfather) was a Portuguese Creole from Trinidad and Tobago.



Or perhaps you were butthurt to see ONE Sikh in one of the scenes? The so-called "Lions of the Great War" have an incredible history in this conflict. How ridiculous that ONE movie gives some tiny modicum of head nod to these guys :



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Posted by RockChalkTiger
A Little Bit South of Saskatoon
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 5:00 am to
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Would somebody please identify and give some specs on their rifles? How many rounds (and stored where? I didn't see any magazine)?

SMLE
The 10-round magazine is an integral part of the rifle. You open the bolt, push the rounds down into the magazine and a spring pushes a new one up when the bolt is worked. In one scene you can see one of the characters loading individual rounds onto a stripper clip. The clips fit in the small pouches (either leather or cotton web) on the front of the equipment. The larger pouches were for hand grenades or magazines for the squad machine gun.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 5:01 am
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 7:41 am to
Saw it yesterday and was blown away. Certainly one of those movies that you want to see in theaters the first time.

I loved the "single shot" as well. As someone said, it made it feel like you were right there with them the whole way. I also loved the use of sound - the planes during the dogfights, the use of the multichannel sound to catch the asides between the other soldiers - like with one guy telling the truck driver to stay off the road and the reply coming back to piss off.

A few comments that may directly/indirectly address some of the criticisms in the thread.

I think they did a great job of showing the brutality of the war without going over the top with it. First with the bodies caught up in the wire in no man's land, as well as the bodies in the trenches where they were buried days or months before but then exposed when the rains came or the shells hit that section. Then again at the casualty area/field hospital after calling off the attack at the end, showed just how quickly a large number of men could get really hurt - this in a war where you might lose 5,000 or more men to move a trench line 1000 feet. Also, the piles of artillery shell casings on the far side of the German trenches show you how many rounds had been fired and how brutal it was to be under that kind of fire day and night.

I loved Schofield's transition/feeling on the mission once Blake died. In the beginning he was against the mission, wanting to wait to start it, wanting to turn back. Then after Blake's death, and the promise he made to him, his attitude changes and he refuses to let anything slow him down.

At first I thought the sequence with the woman and baby was an odd inclusion, but maybe that it fit to show how the war was impacting civilians as well. But then with the reveal Scho having the wife and kids at home, it made sense because he had told Blake you shouldn't go home, and when he went home he didn't want to leave. By including the woman and child in the town, she was begging him to stay and be safe, but that had also changed in his mind - he knew he had to go back out and risk his life.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
27660 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 7:49 am to
Random Q but I’ve heard this movie is one shot first person view

If you have bad motion sickness or claustrophobia will this affect it?

Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10408 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 7:55 am to
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If you have bad motion sickness or claustrophobia will this affect it? 


I don't have either, but I don't think the camerawork would trigger either. It's not found footage shaky cam, it's a traditional cinematic shot, just unbroken.

There's one sequence in a bunker that might trigger claustrophobia, but it's because of the sequence, not the camerawork.
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 7:55 am to
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Random Q but I’ve heard this movie is one shot first person view

If you have bad motion sickness or claustrophobia will this affect it?


It's not Cloverfield bad.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
27660 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 7:56 am to
Ok good to know. Buying tickets for Saturday. Can’t wait
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 7:56 am to
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Wow... did you guys see the same movie as me...

I am not seeing this a some great movie here.. This thing was just Flat.. and I mean Flat.

I cannot understand where all this best film of the year, and oscar talk is coming from... The storyline was just flat.. It had no real development... Most actions took place in dark places... Blurry scenes when the camera tried to follow the characters movements.

But Fury still ranks as Number one for sucky war movies...

But this was a HUGE disappointment.



what in the world....
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:11 am to
Man that is a scorching hot take
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36587 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:31 am to
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At first I thought the sequence with the woman and baby was an odd inclusion, but maybe that it fit to show how the war was impacting civilians as well.


It’s also not her baby, just like the mission isn’t Schofield’s. He just got it dumped on him. He is a survivor of the Somme and just want to live at the beginning of the movie. The soldiers in truck give him purpose and the women brings him back to humanity, where is broken at the beginning.

I left the movie wondering why it was called 1917. The story could have been made to work at any point of the English’s involvement with only minor tweaks. Then it kinda became obvious, by 1917 the patriotic spirit was dead. Millions had died and the survivors where a shell of themselves.

The characters had to know that the brass ultimately didn’t really care about 1600 men. They had to know that it was pretty helpless.


Someone smarter will do a better job with what I am trying to say
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10408 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:44 am to
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It’s also not her baby, just like the mission isn’t Schofield’s. He just got it dumped on him.


I saw it as a continuation of the conflict Schofield has between staying home and going back to the war. The woman and child were a temporary home that he had every reason to consider staying with. At the end, he even realizes it's dawn and he's probably too late.

quote:

The characters had to know that the brass ultimately didn’t really care about 1600 men. They had to know that it was pretty helpless. 


I think you nail it with the ultimate feeling of the futility of it all. So many lives thrown away for so little.

The movie seemed to me to deal with why people still fight. Schofield fought for Blake and the people around him. Cumberbatch's character just wanted to fight. Most everyone fought because they didn't really have a choice.
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